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re: Anthony Randolph vs.Benny Sim
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:26 pm to Ryan3232
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:26 pm to Ryan3232
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He makes the point that Ben Simmons hasn't won any big games. But we are in a thread comparing two players that both havent won any big games. Thus, it is an invalid point for him to even bring up the fact that Ben hasn't won any big games.
Yeah your point is fair. I just kind of took his point to be that you can't just post stats and say "hey this guy is better" when there are other factors at play such as how successful the team actually was.
IMO, there isn't any stat line you can show me to prove Ben was a materially better player than Randolph at LSU. But, if you watch each play 2 random games, one of them is clearly a more skilled player all-around.
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Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:26 pm to saintsfan22
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Simmons will probably be an all-star at 24.
Doubtful. Ben has limited offensive skills beyond 5 feet and no heart or grit. Will be a very average NBA pllayer.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:41 pm to OceanMan
quote:thats a fair point.
Yeah your point is fair. I just kind of took his point to be that you can't just post stats and say "hey this guy is better" when there are other factors at play such as how successful the team actually was.
quote:Im not sure what else you need besides his stats, which were much better than Randolph. His PER is also top of the charts.
IMO, there isn't any stat line you can show me to prove Ben was a materially better player than Randolph at LSU. But, if you watch each play 2 random games, one of them is clearly a more skilled player all-around.
Ill be the first one to admit that Ben underperformed to his freakishly absurd expectations. But those expectations are unfair for any 18 year old. With that said, Ben was still a dominant force. Much more dominant than anything Randolph showed me in his one season.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:45 pm to atltiger6487
quote:im just not sure if this is serious or not. He probably wont be the next Lebron he was being compared to, but an average player? Give me a break.
offensive skills beyond 5 feet and no heart or grit. Will be a very average NBA pllayer.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:54 pm to Ryan3232
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im just not sure if this is serious or not. He probably wont be the next Lebron he was being compared to, but an average player? Give me a break.
I'm dead serious. The NBA is a huge step up in size, strength, quickness and overall talent. Outside of ball handling and athleticism for his size, his offensive repertoire is severely limited. If that doesn't improve, a lot, he'll have a rough time in half court sets.
And I won't even talk about his defense and intangibles.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 3:57 pm to atltiger6487
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Outside of ball handling and athleticism for his size
That's super duper important.
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his offensive repertoire is severely limited.
Jump shot can be taught.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:00 pm to Ryan3232
PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TOPG PFPG FG% 3P% FT%
18.9 12.1 1.4 0.7 1.8 2.7 2.8 .524 .269 .681
Shawn long ULL
19.2 11.8 4.8 2.0 0.8 3.4 2.8 .560 .333 .670
Ben Simmons LSU
Stats
18.9 12.1 1.4 0.7 1.8 2.7 2.8 .524 .269 .681
Shawn long ULL
19.2 11.8 4.8 2.0 0.8 3.4 2.8 .560 .333 .670
Ben Simmons LSU
Stats
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:01 pm to tuptiger
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tuptiger
You avoided saying who you got man.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:14 pm to biggdogg
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PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TOPG PFPG FG% 3P% FT%
18.9 12.1 1.4 0.7 1.8 2.7 2.8 .524 .269 .681
Shawn long ULL
19.2 11.8 4.8 2.0 0.8 3.4 2.8 .560 .333 .670
Ben Simmons LSU
Stats
That dude's stats aren't as good as Ben's. He played worse competition. And he is FOUR years older. Do you realize how big of a difference there is between 23 and 19 in terms of playing basketball?
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:18 pm to geauxjo
I'll take Simmons, but it's slight. He's bigger. Better rebounder.
I think it's a fair comparison. Jordan Mickey would have been three times more valuable to this year's team than Simmons because of his ability to protect the rim.
Not the biggest Simmons fan. I think ATLtiger is right. I think he'll struggle monumentally. I don't think he can become anything more than a very mediocre shooter without three point range.
I think it's a fair comparison. Jordan Mickey would have been three times more valuable to this year's team than Simmons because of his ability to protect the rim.
Not the biggest Simmons fan. I think ATLtiger is right. I think he'll struggle monumentally. I don't think he can become anything more than a very mediocre shooter without three point range.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:22 pm to tuptiger
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I'll take Simmons, but it's slight.
Yeah. Ok. You don't know basketball.
This post was edited on 4/2/16 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:22 pm to atltiger6487
He's a matchup nightmare for when he gets in the NBA. Running the floor is elite. Ball handling for size is elite. IQ for size is eite.
Its the certain things he brings to the table that is very rare that will be shown early in his NBA career. He'll probably never be a 3pt shooter, but he'll learn how to hit a midrange shot effectively. He has the unteachable intanglibles which is why he'll be the undisputed #1 pick.
Its the certain things he brings to the table that is very rare that will be shown early in his NBA career. He'll probably never be a 3pt shooter, but he'll learn how to hit a midrange shot effectively. He has the unteachable intanglibles which is why he'll be the undisputed #1 pick.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:27 pm to LSUButt
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People who think this is a fair comparison show how truly stupid they are.
Do tell please.
Posted on 4/2/16 at 4:39 pm to BigRiver
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While AR was not hyped at all as a freshman
Okay not Simmons level hype but there was definitely hype
Posted on 4/2/16 at 5:29 pm to The Seaward
It's no difference age means nothing from childhood the object of the game is to score, defend, rebound etc... Skal from UK played against better competition than LSU he avg 6 ppg and was the second best player in the country behind Simmons and the is still a projected lottery pick.. Just saying stats don't mean much if your stats don't convert into wins
Posted on 4/2/16 at 5:37 pm to biggdogg
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Just saying stats don't mean much if your stats don't convert into wins
Are you saying BS isn't an incredible bb player because LSU has a dysfunctional bb team and a coach in so far over his head that he can't even see his way out? He came here out of devotion to DP. He did JJ and LSU a favor. If he had gone to Duke none of this would even be a discussion. The kid is a rare talent. All the experts that watched him play said as much all year. He's only tainted by the crap that is LSU basketball. JJ had no clue how to make this work. I can't even believe this is a discussion. Really? AR or BS? Seriously?
Posted on 4/4/16 at 8:25 pm to The Seaward
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And he is FOUR years older. Do you realize how big of a difference there is between 23 and 19 in terms of playing basketball?
ah yes, the "youth" excuse. Yet again. Doesn't fly much in basketball. Just doesn't.
Basketball doesn't require the physical development of the body that football does, and the "playbook" is certainly far less complex. 18 year old guys can step in and dominate day-one in basketball. Anyone who knows the sport knows this.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 8:28 pm to BigRiver
Ben will be a stud, and many of the rednecks here have no idea about basketball.
Andre Drummond was soft and bad his one year in college. How is he now? Ben lives for basketball. He will thrive being able to hone his craft full time.
Andre Drummond was soft and bad his one year in college. How is he now? Ben lives for basketball. He will thrive being able to hone his craft full time.
Posted on 4/4/16 at 8:31 pm to The Boat
To be fair Boat, most casual basketball fans have never heard of Anthony Randolph
Posted on 4/4/16 at 8:40 pm to atltiger6487
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I'm dead serious. The NBA is a huge step up in size, strength, quickness and overall talent. Outside of ball handling and athleticism for his size, his offensive repertoire is severely limited. If that doesn't improve, a lot, he'll have a rough time in half court sets.
The NBA game is much more open and caters to players that can handle the ball and drive the hoop. Ben will be excellent.
You think he'll get better coaching too? Remember, the Ben Simmons we all saw was under the tutelage of Johnny Jones.
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