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Anatomy of a sh!tty situation
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:02 pm
Jones takes over bad program (Johnson was good X's and O's, horrible recruiter.) Jones improves program, recruits like crazy. He's a recruiting machine, using his AAU connections, etc. Signs highly-rated recruiting classes. Signs Ben Simmons - a self-proclaimed "one and doner" -- to play at LSU -- have to give Jones credit for that. Have to.
National media/NBA hype Simmons. The Simmons hype Simmons. Simmons hypes Simmons. LSU hypes Simmons. Simmons is 19. He has awesome physical skills. He is an awesome team player. He does a lot of good things. You want him on your team (even for only a year.) He makes you better. But he's not a shooter. He scores off transition. He's not Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, or Michael Jordan.
A key senior leader is out much of the year due to injury. Another key player joins the team late. Much reliance is placed upon freshmen -- Simmons and Blakeney.
Is Jones a great coach? No. Is he a great recruiter? Yes. Could LSU hire someone to do a better job (recruit, coach)? I doubt it.
What I hold against Johnny, frankly, more than this so-called "debacle" of a season (which ain't over yet, by the way), is not not doing more w/ Simmons, but not developing a player like Robinson, a big 7 footer who looks like a player to me.
Jones loves LSU, this is his dream job, he works his arse off, he hires good assts., and he recruits like a mother. I don't know that LSU is ever going to rival KY, or UNC, or Indiana, on a consistent basis. I think the type of talent that Jones can obviously bring to Baton Rouge gives us a chance.
Flame away if you want, but isn't this constant game by game evaluation of the coach (LSU wins, he's great, they lose, fire him!) really dumb?
National media/NBA hype Simmons. The Simmons hype Simmons. Simmons hypes Simmons. LSU hypes Simmons. Simmons is 19. He has awesome physical skills. He is an awesome team player. He does a lot of good things. You want him on your team (even for only a year.) He makes you better. But he's not a shooter. He scores off transition. He's not Lew Alcindor, Bill Walton, or Michael Jordan.
A key senior leader is out much of the year due to injury. Another key player joins the team late. Much reliance is placed upon freshmen -- Simmons and Blakeney.
Is Jones a great coach? No. Is he a great recruiter? Yes. Could LSU hire someone to do a better job (recruit, coach)? I doubt it.
What I hold against Johnny, frankly, more than this so-called "debacle" of a season (which ain't over yet, by the way), is not not doing more w/ Simmons, but not developing a player like Robinson, a big 7 footer who looks like a player to me.
Jones loves LSU, this is his dream job, he works his arse off, he hires good assts., and he recruits like a mother. I don't know that LSU is ever going to rival KY, or UNC, or Indiana, on a consistent basis. I think the type of talent that Jones can obviously bring to Baton Rouge gives us a chance.
Flame away if you want, but isn't this constant game by game evaluation of the coach (LSU wins, he's great, they lose, fire him!) really dumb?
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Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:06 pm to TigerJeff
Shoulda got Bruce Pearl
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:07 pm to TigerJeff
He was the coach at fricking North Texas for a reason. And has he really recruited well? This team is garbage. Ben Simmons is here because of Patrick. Other than last year's duo, he hasn't recruited that well. You have no pg on this team and no one to protect the rim. You just have a bunch of players running around out there.
He's barely over .500 as a head coach, and that's only because of his record at LSU. If he wasn't an ex assistant under brown, every fan would want him gone and would have ran Alleva out of the state for hiring a .500 coach that spent 12 freaking years at North Texas.
He's barely over .500 as a head coach, and that's only because of his record at LSU. If he wasn't an ex assistant under brown, every fan would want him gone and would have ran Alleva out of the state for hiring a .500 coach that spent 12 freaking years at North Texas.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:08 pm to TigerJeff
I agree.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:08 pm to TigerJeff
Jones better make a bomb arse offseason assistant hire and lose 8-10 games at most next year if he expects the fanbase to be satisfied. this year is an utter shitshow.
Watching NBA offenses and other college team offenses compared to our "set a pick and shoot if you wanna" whatever is embarrassing. Then our defense despite having two good to really good guys on the front court and veterans at the guards.
i just don't get it. One of the biggest shite the bed seasons I've seen .
Watching NBA offenses and other college team offenses compared to our "set a pick and shoot if you wanna" whatever is embarrassing. Then our defense despite having two good to really good guys on the front court and veterans at the guards.
i just don't get it. One of the biggest shite the bed seasons I've seen .
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:09 pm to Kel Varnsen
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Shoulda got Bruce Pearl
Was still under show-cause
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:11 pm to TigerJeff
I agree, Look at the hand Jones was dealt-and he improved it every year. Quite frankly, and I know I will get pisses on, Simmons was not the be all-end all for LSU Basketball. I do believe we have a talented class coming in next year. I believe a point guard will mean 6 more wins, even after Simmons leaves. We lost more when Stromile Swift, John Williams, and Dwight-the astranaut- scales left than we will when simmons leaves...just saying
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:12 pm to TigerJeff
Is this really necessary?
Does everyone need to start their own thread now assessing the situation?
I take exception to this:
LSU eventually needs to realize that football and basketball, the two highest revenue NCAA sports can co-exist and invest in both programs and reap the rewards.
Does everyone need to start their own thread now assessing the situation?
I take exception to this:
quote:Yes, they could. If they valued basketball. LSU has historically been a penny pinching AD. And it's worse now with politicians running LSU's AD. It was Emmert in 1999 that valued the economic return that could be gained by investing in the football program. That along with TAF introduced the glory days of LSU football and the windfall it has produced.
Could LSU hire someone to do a better job (recruit, coach)? I doubt it.
LSU eventually needs to realize that football and basketball, the two highest revenue NCAA sports can co-exist and invest in both programs and reap the rewards.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:14 pm to lsu2006
We could have hired Tony Bennett instead of Trent. That's my lament.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:15 pm to TigerJeff
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he works his arse off
Really? Didn't seem that way to me this year seeing as he was the laziest coach I've ever seen. Absolutely NO changes were made to this team from November to now.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:17 pm to dgnx6
Who hired Patrick?
Recruiting - Blakeney; Samson; Robinson; Epps; Hornsby; Patterson; Quarterman. Yes, he's an excellent recruiter. As I said, I'm disappointed that Robinson doesn't get more PT. The offense is spotty. So is the defense. I don't know that team chemistry has ever been there this year, although this team was in first place in the SEC for part of the year, and finished tied for 3rd.
You don't turn down a guy like Simmons, BUT... it didn't work this year. And while Simmons is terrific, you watch what he does in the NBA -- I don't think he'll make an impact his first year, unless he somehow gets drafted by a good team. And there's nothing wrong w/ that. His skill set is fantastic, but it's nuanced. That's what folks don't get.
Recruiting - Blakeney; Samson; Robinson; Epps; Hornsby; Patterson; Quarterman. Yes, he's an excellent recruiter. As I said, I'm disappointed that Robinson doesn't get more PT. The offense is spotty. So is the defense. I don't know that team chemistry has ever been there this year, although this team was in first place in the SEC for part of the year, and finished tied for 3rd.
You don't turn down a guy like Simmons, BUT... it didn't work this year. And while Simmons is terrific, you watch what he does in the NBA -- I don't think he'll make an impact his first year, unless he somehow gets drafted by a good team. And there's nothing wrong w/ that. His skill set is fantastic, but it's nuanced. That's what folks don't get.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:17 pm to 75helpmacpack
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Look at the hand Jones was dealt-and he improved it every year.
So LSU improved this year? They aren't making the tourney. He's had 4 years. You want to see a coach that was dealt a bad hand? That was Brady. No, Jones had every opportunity to turn this program around. It's fricking basketball, only 5 play at a time. You don't need 4 years of recruiting to build a solid team.
Fans show up and the team doesn't. Every time that happens, you keep setting it back.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:22 pm to TigerJeff
Is really THAT great of a recruiter? Yes, compared to the previous coach. But nationally? Without a great Louisiana player (like Martin) or a significant family connection (like Simmons) he currently has a 5 man class ranked 53rd in the nation.
Even if we assume he's a great recruiter, what difference does it make if you squander the talent? Thus far he's still yet to accomplish even what the two previous coaches did at LSU - win a NCAA tournament game or a conf title. They certainly had their issues, but both Brady and Johnson did each within their first 4 years at LSU
I'm quite confident LSU could find another coach who could miss NCAA tournaments on a consistent basis and fail to ever win a game in the tournament. I like Jones on a personal level, but nothing in his 11 years at North Texas indicated he would have consistent success at a power conf. school. In fact, LSU was the ONLY power-conf school in which he was a head coaching candidate. That should tell you more than anything else.
One only has to ask two questions:
1. Is the goal at LSU to compete for championship?
2. If so, do you think Jones is the guy to accomplish that goal?
If the answer to #2 is no, then what is the rationale for him to remain the head coach?
Even if we assume he's a great recruiter, what difference does it make if you squander the talent? Thus far he's still yet to accomplish even what the two previous coaches did at LSU - win a NCAA tournament game or a conf title. They certainly had their issues, but both Brady and Johnson did each within their first 4 years at LSU
quote:
Could LSU hire someone to do a better job (recruit, coach)? I doubt it.
I'm quite confident LSU could find another coach who could miss NCAA tournaments on a consistent basis and fail to ever win a game in the tournament. I like Jones on a personal level, but nothing in his 11 years at North Texas indicated he would have consistent success at a power conf. school. In fact, LSU was the ONLY power-conf school in which he was a head coaching candidate. That should tell you more than anything else.
One only has to ask two questions:
1. Is the goal at LSU to compete for championship?
2. If so, do you think Jones is the guy to accomplish that goal?
If the answer to #2 is no, then what is the rationale for him to remain the head coach?
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:26 pm to TigerJeff
If you know anything about basketball and you have watched us play, we are so fundamentally deficient it's sad. The last 6 teams we have played have shot over 50% from the field in the 2nd half. That literally equates to us guarding no one. We don't stop dribble penetration, we don't close out on shooters, we don't box out or rebound. There is no help side or rotation on defense.
Offensively, we don't run an offense. There is no motion or screening away from the ball. Just about all we run is ball screens. Our shot selection is atrocious. We cannot feed the post. There is no "fake a pass/ make a pass" if we don't score in the initial break, we stand around a jack up a contested 3 as the shot clock winds down. And we don't shot ft's well.
We have no concept of game management, using timeouts, using the tv timeouts, how to stop the other teams momentum when they rip off 8-0 runs. How to get our best players the ball in positions to score.
That about covers it. Jones is a mediocre coach. He was 91-88 in 11 yrs at north Texas and only won his conference 1 time in those 11 yrs. no other schools in those 11 yrs came lookjng to hire jones, and if he wasn't an LSU alumnus he wouldn't be here.
Look at the coaching hires across the conference and rank jones among them. I can't see where he is better than any of them
Offensively, we don't run an offense. There is no motion or screening away from the ball. Just about all we run is ball screens. Our shot selection is atrocious. We cannot feed the post. There is no "fake a pass/ make a pass" if we don't score in the initial break, we stand around a jack up a contested 3 as the shot clock winds down. And we don't shot ft's well.
We have no concept of game management, using timeouts, using the tv timeouts, how to stop the other teams momentum when they rip off 8-0 runs. How to get our best players the ball in positions to score.
That about covers it. Jones is a mediocre coach. He was 91-88 in 11 yrs at north Texas and only won his conference 1 time in those 11 yrs. no other schools in those 11 yrs came lookjng to hire jones, and if he wasn't an LSU alumnus he wouldn't be here.
Look at the coaching hires across the conference and rank jones among them. I can't see where he is better than any of them
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:27 pm to lsu2006
You disagree? I've watched this team, I've been watching this team no matter the coach. And this team just doesn't stack up.
And if they are really that good of players, then Jones sucks way more than I could have imagined. Because none of them are getting coached up, none outside of blackeney has improved. And from my understanding blackeney works his arse off in the gym and film room. So again, looks like he is self made and isn't being coached worth a shite.
And if they are really that good of players, then Jones sucks way more than I could have imagined. Because none of them are getting coached up, none outside of blackeney has improved. And from my understanding blackeney works his arse off in the gym and film room. So again, looks like he is self made and isn't being coached worth a shite.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:29 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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You're a goddamned idiot.
You got something to add other than just calling me an idiot?You think quartermen, epps and Sampson were good this year? Hornsby is alright, but he's been injured. He was OK last year, that's it. He's OK.
Don't worry, LSU is keeping JJ and our basketball team will continue to look like they don't give a shite and continue to lose to inferior opponents.
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:31 pm to dgnx6
quote:
You disagree?
Yes.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:37 pm to Alt26
quote:
only has to ask two questions:
1. Is the goal at LSU to compete for championship?
2. If so, do you think Jones is the guy to accomplish that goal?
If the answer to #2 is no, then what is the rationale for him to remain the head coach?
You could ask the same about all three of our big sport coaches.
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:38 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
The other coaches have national titles and numerous sec and sec tourney titles. They get a little more rope
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:39 pm to lsu2006
So you think JJ has done an excellent job at recruiting. That's fine, he still can't coach them. So what's the point? When you don't win, those recruits will look elsewhere, then we are stuck with a shite recruiter and coach.
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