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Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:51 am to okietiger
quote:Pretty much.
Am I the only one who's not convinced this D is elite?
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:52 am to ZizzleFontain
they've shut out two horrible teams, after this week we can see how we shape up on D
I'm not drinking the purple and gold kool-aid considering what Wisconin did to us
I'm not drinking the purple and gold kool-aid considering what Wisconin did to us
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:52 am to okietiger
I'm optimistic but not nervous about our Defense. Not worried about the secondary but the DLINE. IMO we haven't played anyone to show that we are truly an elite defense yet. Gordon ran all over us when he was in, Tanner McEvoy sucks as a passer, ULM and SHSU both suck. This weekend we can prove it on the field one way or the other.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:53 am to okietiger
I agree they look good, but elite? It's a little premature for that title. Get back to me after Moo-state. We will know a lot more after Saturday night.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:53 am to okietiger
No. The secondary is elite. The front 7 is TBD.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:53 am to bwallcubfan
Missed tackles and assignments plagued us in the first two quarters of the season. I see weaknesses across the sec on d and they've played a similar schedule so far. This d is still young, but not lacking in big game experience that was evident last season.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:54 am to ZizzleFontain
When I saw that Colorado State-Pueblo, a Div. II school, had a defense that dominated Sam Houston State in Huntsville, TX this past weekend, it certainly took the wind out of my sails a bit. Also, Wake Forest's defense did a pretty good job against ULM, again on the road, holding them to 17 points. I think we have an elite secondary, a good LB corps (especially as Beckwith continues to learn and as Kwon and Lamar come back), and an evolving D-line. If we continue to improve in the middle on the D-line (which will be proven one way or the other this weekend), we should have a very good defense.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:55 am to TIGERSby10
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Am I the only one who's not convinced this D is elite?
Way too early to tell, especially considering the teams we've played the past two weeks. Wait till we play MSU, UF and Auburn.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:57 am to TigerPanzer
the biggest thing is when they get gashed can they make adjustments. I feel like chief has always been great at this in his tenure at LSU. Of course in most other cases he had a more experienced "D".
Posted on 9/16/14 at 11:58 am to Topwater Trout
If you look back at the first half of the Wisconsin game, you can see that the Tiger's front 7 didn't get physically dominated as much as they got confused and completely out schemed. The Badgers do a very good job of mixing up their run game, and they happen to have the best RB we will see all season, hands down. You saw defensive players miss assignments and get out of their gaps until the third quarter. But once they got a bead on what the Badgers were doing, they got control of the game and never looked back.
Since then, we've seen the D play with a LOT more discipline and with few missed assignments and mistakes. SHSU and ULM may not be good teams, but mistakes and lack of discipline will create problems no matter who you are playing. It seems that Chavis has nipped that problem in the bud, and gotten these guys on the same page. Now, they should have the confidence to face a much bigger and stronger opponent.
I don't see MSU causing us the same kinds of problems that Wisconsin did. They don't have an RB that could carry Gordon's jock, and don't use the same kind of scheme, either. They're a power team with solid, experienced skill guys, a good dual threat QB, and a good short passing game. I personally think this is a good matchup for the LSU D. I don't think MSU has the kinds of WRs that will get separation from our secondary. If that is the case and we load the LOS and still limit Prescott's passing- game over. They depend on balance and spreading the D out so Prescott can do his thing. If he can't consistently make plays against man coverage, they are in trouble.
2 superb games vs A&M have shown me that Chavis knows what to do with a dual threat QB. We will bottle him up and make him throw the ball more than they want. This is a perfect setup, since our D line doesn't produce the best pass rush. In this game, they won't have to. It's all about coverage and contain. Without true gamebreakers at RB and WR, MSU is going to find it hard to move the ball Saturday.
So yeah, maybe this front 7 isn't elite. At least not yet. But the secondary is good enough that they won't have to be against most teams. They just need to be solid, disciplined, and tackle well.
Since then, we've seen the D play with a LOT more discipline and with few missed assignments and mistakes. SHSU and ULM may not be good teams, but mistakes and lack of discipline will create problems no matter who you are playing. It seems that Chavis has nipped that problem in the bud, and gotten these guys on the same page. Now, they should have the confidence to face a much bigger and stronger opponent.
I don't see MSU causing us the same kinds of problems that Wisconsin did. They don't have an RB that could carry Gordon's jock, and don't use the same kind of scheme, either. They're a power team with solid, experienced skill guys, a good dual threat QB, and a good short passing game. I personally think this is a good matchup for the LSU D. I don't think MSU has the kinds of WRs that will get separation from our secondary. If that is the case and we load the LOS and still limit Prescott's passing- game over. They depend on balance and spreading the D out so Prescott can do his thing. If he can't consistently make plays against man coverage, they are in trouble.
2 superb games vs A&M have shown me that Chavis knows what to do with a dual threat QB. We will bottle him up and make him throw the ball more than they want. This is a perfect setup, since our D line doesn't produce the best pass rush. In this game, they won't have to. It's all about coverage and contain. Without true gamebreakers at RB and WR, MSU is going to find it hard to move the ball Saturday.
So yeah, maybe this front 7 isn't elite. At least not yet. But the secondary is good enough that they won't have to be against most teams. They just need to be solid, disciplined, and tackle well.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:01 pm to misey94
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If you look back at the first half of the Wisconsin game, you can see that the Tiger's front 7 didn't get physically dominated as much as they got confused and completely out schemed
I call it catching blocks. We played pretty conservative. 2nd half we let the secondary go man and did a lot of run blitzing. I love when a defense is aggressive...hope we stay aggressive.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:03 pm to okietiger
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Not saying they're not but also not for sure why so many are pimping them as being elite despite not having played anyone yet.
Hardly any team has "played anyone yet" and we are ranked top 5 nationally in pretty much every category. We may not have evidence of being elite, but we certainly have enough to say this is a top tier def.
We weren't dominant the entire game against wisky, buy they certainly answered the call in the 2nd half.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:04 pm to misey94
Well, you shouldn't be convinced that ANYBODY is elite at this point, as no one has really played a very difficult schedule yet. So, sure, every single unit of every single team in the nation is open to serious doubts due to schedule effects.
That said, the early indications for LSU are pretty darn good. Sure, ULM and SHSU stink, but they also shut both of them out. As in, zero points. Which is hard to do in back to back games, even against outmatched tomato cans. LSU allowed less than 100 yards to ULM last weekend, which is just absurd. They had been averaging 443 yds/game, to put the number is perspective.
I don't think anyone should be convinced of anything after three weeks, primarily against rent-a-wins. But the indications are pretty strong for LSU.
That said, the early indications for LSU are pretty darn good. Sure, ULM and SHSU stink, but they also shut both of them out. As in, zero points. Which is hard to do in back to back games, even against outmatched tomato cans. LSU allowed less than 100 yards to ULM last weekend, which is just absurd. They had been averaging 443 yds/game, to put the number is perspective.
I don't think anyone should be convinced of anything after three weeks, primarily against rent-a-wins. But the indications are pretty strong for LSU.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:05 pm to monsterballads
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they grew up in the last three games it seems like and are playing as a cohesive unit for the most part.
stacking the box and forcing teams to throw seems to be working well
This is true, but it was also done against Sam Houston St and ULM.... If we didnt grow up against those teams then something is seriously wrong
Not saying we arent elite or what not, just saying it was 2 cupcake games and people are acting like it was 2 SEC teams
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:06 pm to okietiger
I guess it depends on what you are comparing. This team is elite when compared to the other defenses fielded this year, based on the first 3 games, which were on average, the same in terms of strength of opponent across the board for major teams.
I don't think you can compare them to elite defenses in history at this point. They have looked great since halftime of game 1, though.
eta:
And just to enhance the SOS counter-argument: I find it disingenuous to dismiss the team because of the teams they have played so far. As stated, EVERY team to which we tend to compare ours has played weak opponents. It's as if some of you would only concede if LSU had played 3 top 10 teams while others maintained their cupcake schedules. It makes absolutely no sense.
I don't think you can compare them to elite defenses in history at this point. They have looked great since halftime of game 1, though.
eta:
And just to enhance the SOS counter-argument: I find it disingenuous to dismiss the team because of the teams they have played so far. As stated, EVERY team to which we tend to compare ours has played weak opponents. It's as if some of you would only concede if LSU had played 3 top 10 teams while others maintained their cupcake schedules. It makes absolutely no sense.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:06 pm to misey94
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misey94
Well done. 
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:08 pm to Baloo
quote:
I don't think anyone should be convinced of anything after three weeks, primarily against rent-a-wins. But the indications are pretty strong for LSU.
Dis right here.
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:10 pm to okietiger
No you're not but keep in mind this is an LSU board so only greatness comes from anything associated. you may need to refill your glass with more koolaid so you can see more clearly
Posted on 9/16/14 at 12:12 pm to misey94
i dont get why people are hating on mcevoy, he just completed 82% of his passes for 283 yds and 3tds while running for another 60 and a td. Yes it was against a shite team, but isnt that all moo state has played? I didnt see our qbs lighting it up against these shite teams either.
This post was edited on 9/16/14 at 12:13 pm
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