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re: After Bama, where are all those supporting Miles' offensive philosophy?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:25 pm to Methuselah
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:25 pm to Methuselah
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You think we should have thrown it MORE than 26 times?
Really? How bout complete it more than 8. Two completions at the half. We haven't developed an intermediate passing game. It's either fade rout to dural or dupre or bust.
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Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:26 pm to Dynamis
This post was started because I am incapable of effectively bumping an old post/convo from directly after the Ole Miss game when people on here were declaring:
We don't need the pass.
Our coaching staff is great at QB development.
Our passing game is effective enough.
That the strategy works.
I argue it works a very high % of the time, but it will bite us if we rely on it solely, especially when we aren't good at it and we are in a clutch situation. Last night we had some some bad drops by talented guys. There is plenty of blame to spread around, but circle this:
8 completions out of 26 attempts for 76 yards
Execution.
We don't need the pass.
Our coaching staff is great at QB development.
Our passing game is effective enough.
That the strategy works.
I argue it works a very high % of the time, but it will bite us if we rely on it solely, especially when we aren't good at it and we are in a clutch situation. Last night we had some some bad drops by talented guys. There is plenty of blame to spread around, but circle this:
8 completions out of 26 attempts for 76 yards
Execution.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:28 pm to marklsu
Saying "we need the pass" doesn't necessarily mean we need to pass more.
We need to pass effectively. It's developmental.
We need to pass effectively. It's developmental.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:29 pm to marklsu
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Our opponent: Took advantage of SHORT field situations. Scored off an interception. Scored after a failed squib punt. Scored THROUGH THE AIR, exposing us with a D-level QB talent & an A-level wide out. When the game was on the line, Bama was forced to throw and executed. Bama is a run-based, defensive oriented team. Those two monikers are our identity as well. The difference is, OUR passing/QB play/Receiving corp HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED and cannot execute.
1. Bama kicked a FG off Jennings Int, we kicked a FG off the fumble.
2. Bama didn't squib one to us
3. We scored THROUGH THE AIR too
Don't show ALL your bias so quickly.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:30 pm to marklsu
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When the game was on the line, Bama was forced to throw and executed. Bama is a run-based, defensive oriented team. Those two monikers are our identity as well. The difference is, OUR passing/QB play/Receiving corp HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED and cannot execute.
This is the difference between CLM and Saban when they face each other. LSU is its own worst enemy. They choke when face with pressure playing 'Bama the last 4 times. CLM is not going to change his "approach" so get used to it. To be sure it could be way worse, no question. But as it is now, someone has already stated that this team is not likely to win big with the current "philosophy" in place. To win in CFB a team has to have a competent QB. LSU has had Mett and Flynn in the last 7 years. That's it and that will lead to 10-2, 9-3 if you have a great defense and 8-4 or worse if you do not. Write it down.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:31 pm to marklsu
Our offensive philosophy was fine. They got short field because our punter sucks.
Also their offense has nothing to do with out offense. They scored just as many points in regulation as we did. So shut the frick up and get out of here.
We don't get a tricky tack unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, or the refs remember what pass interference is, or the booth gets its head out of its arse and actually reviews a play we win that game.
Also their offense has nothing to do with out offense. They scored just as many points in regulation as we did. So shut the frick up and get out of here.
We don't get a tricky tack unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, or the refs remember what pass interference is, or the booth gets its head out of its arse and actually reviews a play we win that game.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:31 pm to marklsu
quote:I'm here. The offensive plan gave us a great chance to win, and didn't cause us to lose.
After Bama, where are all those supporting Miles' offensive philosophy?
quote:They have a 5th year senior at QB, and a junior 1st Team All-American at WR. We have a true sophomore starting at QB, backed up by a true freshman. We have 1 soph and 3 freshmen at WR. Given that, does it really surprise anyone at all, that the more experienced offensive team was able to make more clutch plays? Give Jennings 2 more years of practice, and I bet he has a much better game than Sims did.
The difference is, OUR passing/QB play/Receiving corp HAVE NOT BEEN DEVELOPED and cannot execute.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:32 pm to TH03
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philosophy was good. execution was not. it's as simple as that.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:33 pm to tigerfoot
You're proving the point Tigerfoot.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:33 pm to marklsu
Regarding the offense, there has been little to support for many years in CFB terms.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:34 pm to marklsu
LSU never ran the ball well enough to sustain drives without passing. Could never break out for big gains.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:35 pm to marklsu
quote:
Miles' offensive philosophy
This isn't what lost the game last night.
6-8 dropped passes that hit our guys in the hands that could've set us up in good down and distance or sustained drives cost us the game last night.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:37 pm to White Tiger
tigerfoot...
Which bias are you talking about?
If you're saying I'm here just to bash coach or whatever, you need to check my history. I'm a Miles supporter.
Everything isn't black and white. It's time we develop an effective passing game to COMPLEMENT our strong run game/defensive strategy.
Which bias are you talking about?
If you're saying I'm here just to bash coach or whatever, you need to check my history. I'm a Miles supporter.
Everything isn't black and white. It's time we develop an effective passing game to COMPLEMENT our strong run game/defensive strategy.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:38 pm to marklsu
quote:
You're proving the point Tigerfoot.
Then what is your point,our offensive performance and Bamas were similar and you posted them as differing
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:38 pm to marklsu
This has been the same thing for years??! We have a quarterback from last year starting in the Pros. Bama's national championship qb is a 3rd stringer. It's called excellent offense
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:38 pm to Scoob
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They have a 5th year senior at QB, and a junior 1st Team All-American at WR.
Think you may be missing the point. The point is that more often than not in the past 10 seasons, LSU has bubkus for qB. Nada, nil, nothing. This is 100% on CLM. He has had 3 OCs in the last few years and really good receivers. I am convinced that he is the ghost of Schembechler past and is going to run, run, throw no matter what.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:40 pm to Partiger
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Actually, a win by LSu would have been worse for the future because Miles would never abandon 70s style.
What makes you think he'll now abandon his antiquated style of play?
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:42 pm to Scoob
When is the last time LSU, using this offensive philosophy, had a 2 score lead on a high quality opponent? The philosophy I speak of is the one we all saw with Jefferson at QB and even at times during ZMs first season. That is my singular frustration with last night and past performances. We have zero margin for error in how we play. Amari cooper had 3 drops last night but his team won the game. Quinn dropped 2 balls, foster dropped the first pass in OT and we are done. A holding call of delay games gives everyone the sense we should just punt on 2nd down.
Sims is not a high quality QB, he has limitations just like our QBs, but they took chances and called plays to make him successful (at times).
We get a lead and then turn into run-run-throw-punt. LSU was 2 scores better than ole miss 2 weekends ago but the score didn't reflect that. LSU was better than Wisconsin to begin the year, and the score barely reflected it. How was the Florida game in question? LSU rarely has won games they had no business winning (like bama did last night) and more often we have lost games we should have won. Our offensive philosophy of trying not to lose keeps teams in games. The championship teams of years past have completely shaped and skewed our identity. Miles believes a 3 point lead is always enough and I personally never feel like we are going to get out in front of anyone. Winning and losing have both become a struggle.
Sims is not a high quality QB, he has limitations just like our QBs, but they took chances and called plays to make him successful (at times).
We get a lead and then turn into run-run-throw-punt. LSU was 2 scores better than ole miss 2 weekends ago but the score didn't reflect that. LSU was better than Wisconsin to begin the year, and the score barely reflected it. How was the Florida game in question? LSU rarely has won games they had no business winning (like bama did last night) and more often we have lost games we should have won. Our offensive philosophy of trying not to lose keeps teams in games. The championship teams of years past have completely shaped and skewed our identity. Miles believes a 3 point lead is always enough and I personally never feel like we are going to get out in front of anyone. Winning and losing have both become a struggle.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:43 pm to White Tiger
I noticed something Saban said last night.....when they were passing and failing at it, he said to the sideline reporter....I don't like the plays we are calling for the pass....we need to adjust that.....meaning we need to pass differently.
Posted on 11/9/14 at 12:43 pm to marklsu
You dumbasses absolutely have no logic, concept or rationality of THE QB CAN'T COMPLETE A PASS AND WR DROPS BALLS.
This post was edited on 11/9/14 at 12:45 pm
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