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Advocate: LSU Still Running Into Problems

Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:10 am
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93721 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:10 am
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LSU has a lot to fix, particularly on the offensive side, to win those games. First, let’s review how the problems contributed to the loss against Auburn.

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Run game non-existent

Johnson said LSU had a plan to run the football Saturday night, but the running backs had three carries at halftime. Tyrion Davis-Price, Corey Kiner, Armoni Goodwin and Josh Williams finished with a combined 13 carries for 46 yards.

Auburn gave LSU a favorable defensive look. It often dropped eight defenders into coverage and used three linemen. Even as LSU approached the end zone at one point in the first half, Auburn didn’t bother defending the run on second-and-10. It deployed three safeties.


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ESPN’s crew said coach Ed Orgeron and first-year offensive coordinator Jake Peetz told them LSU doesn’t have confidence in the running game because of uncertainty at left tackle — LSU started redshirt sophomore Anthony Bradford, its fourth different left tackle, against Auburn — and the lack of cohesion along the front.

"I’m really disappointed in that," Orgeron said when asked later about LSU's blocking. "We have two guys on that offensive line that won a national championship. I thought that would be one of the strengths of our football team, but it’s not. We’ve got to continue to look at it and improve."
The inability to run showed up most in the red zone, where LSU’s pass offense struggled with a smaller field. The Tigers kicked four field goals as a result, and then when they needed to sustain drives in the fourth quarter with a two-point lead, they couldn’t drain the clock.

Over its last 18 plays, LSU ran the ball once.


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Offensive tempo stalls

Tempo has been an issue for LSU. The team often spends too much time making pre-snap adjustments, which lets defenses attack, and then the offense stalls. Orgeron has said LSU needs to run a play instead of trying to find the perfect call. He has wanted to see less look-overs before the snap.
On Saturday night, the look-overs made LSU burn four timeouts as Johnson checked with coaches on the sideline. Every time, Orgeron had to call a timeout to avoid a delay of game penalty.

One of them happened on LSU’s third drive. The Tigers faced fourth-and-1 from the 3-yard line. Johnson looked to the sideline with three seconds on the play clock. Orgeron had to call his third timeout. Johnson pleaded to go faster as he returned to the sideline.

“We’ve just got to figure it out,” Johnson said. “There’s one play being called, and then based on their coverage, we’re calling a different play. I’m getting that play with five seconds and I’m trying to change the protection. Then we have to burn a timeout because of that.”

Later, LSU wasted a timeout at the beginning of its final possession. Auburn had just taken the 24-19 lead. LSU had three minutes to mount a game-winning drive. Johnson looked over with nine seconds on the play clock. He stepped forward to change protection and point out a defender with two. Orgeron called his second timeout of the half.

The home fans booed their team.

“Sometimes we’re changing the play,” Orgeron said. “Sometimes it’s coming in late, and we’re trying to change the protections. There’s not enough time. There’s no excuse for that. We should not be at that point.”


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Bo Nix evades sacks

Auburn hadn’t scored. Down 13-0, it faced fourth-and-2 from LSU’s 24-yard line. Nix rolled to his right. LSU set the edge and rushed up field. Nix broke one tackle, then two more as he reversed field. He shook linebacker Micah Baskerville off his shoulders near the sideline. He stepped back to evade another sack. Finally, he saw tight end Tyler Fromm and threw a touchdown.

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The five missed sacks on one play exemplified how much LSU struggled to tackle Nix. Then on the next drive, Auburn faced another fourth-and-2 with a minute left in the first half. LSU covered every route. Nix scrambled out of the pocket. Three defensive linemen chased him 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

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Nix’s two fourth down scrambles resulted in 10 points. Others extended drives, carrying Auburn through a comeback.

Orgeron said the problem stemmed from lack of containment and getting out of the proper lanes. LSU tried to bull rush with its defensive tackles, use a spy after the second quarter and implement a cage rush to keep Nix in the pocket.

The defense covered well. It stopped the run, allowing Auburn’s heralded running back tandem to gain 92 yards. In some ways, LSU's defense played one of its best games this season. It just couldn’t tackle Nix.

“There comes a point where you’ve got to tackle,” Orgeron said.


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Three defining stats:

33

Unable to run the ball or committed to trying, LSU gained 33 net yards rushing on 25 carries, an average of 1.32 yards per rush. LSU has now rushed for less than 35 yards against Auburn in back-to-back seasons. It lost both games.

0

After entering the game tied for the most sacks in the country, LSU finished with zero, a season-low. LSU had plenty of chances, but Nix’s ability to evade pressure left players whiffing on opportunities.

12

LSU gained 12 yards over three trips to the red zone as its offense struggled with a condensed field because of its inability to run the ball. The game would have looked much different if LSU scored touchdowns instead of kicking field goals.


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Posted by rpg37
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Sep 2008
47533 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:13 am to
This is a well-written article and 100% accurate.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118902 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:13 am to
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Auburn gave LSU a favorable defensive look. It often dropped eight defenders into coverage and used three linemen. Even as LSU approached the end zone at one point in the first half, Auburn didn’t bother defending the run on second-and-10. It deployed three safeties.


Max needs to check into running plays in these situations. So what if the coaches give him hell.
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
16871 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:14 am to
Lol.

I know it’s ancient history but how many yards would those 2005-2015 teams under Miles have rushed for against Auburn dropping eight every play?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:15 am to
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We’ve just got to figure it out,” Johnson said. “There’s one play being called, and then based on their coverage, we’re calling a different play. I’m getting that play with five seconds and I’m trying to change the protection. Then we have to burn a timeout because of that.
after one of the timeouts late in the game, I think the one after the change of possession, you could see Max yelling at the coaches, like, “get the damn play in faster”
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118902 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:19 am to
This offense has become the opposite of Miles.

Miles used to run into brick walls.

Now Coach O is throwing into 8 man coverages.

Why can't these coaches understand that on 1st and 2nd downs simply take what the defense is giving you? This is actually where Coach E was valuable. On first and second downs he actually allowed the QBs to check into plays that were more favorable against what the defense was showing pre-snap. Did it work all the time? No. Did it work more than it works now? Yes.

Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118902 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:21 am to
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after one of the timeouts late in the game, I think the one after the change of possession, you could see Max yelling at the coaches, like, “get the damn play in faster”




Max needs to tell Peetz if you don't get the play in with 20 seconds on the play clock I'm calling the play. frick your slow arse shite.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 8:22 am
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38410 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:22 am to
It’s a good thing we taught Dare Rosenthal such a valuable lesson tho!
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 8:23 am
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
12761 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:22 am to
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Advocate: LSU Still NOT Running Into Anything


FIF Them
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 8:23 am
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
93721 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:25 am to
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This offense has become the opposite of Miles.

Miles used to run into brick walls.

Yeah one dimensional is still one dimensional. It doesn't really matter whether it's run or pass. There has to be SOME balance.
Posted by FATBOY TIGER
Valhalla
Member since Jan 2016
8953 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:26 am to
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Anthony Bradford




Great call by the staff and, the body of work by the center, .

It's like watching a one armed guy juggle machetes. You just can't help but watch.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35429 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:28 am to
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after one of the timeouts late in the game, I think the one after the change of possession, you could see Max yelling at the coaches, like, “get the damn play in faster”
And he needs to get reemed for that. Max is taking way too long to get the team lined up. Then he looks over to the sideline with less than 10 seconds left. Zero clock awareness.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
4627 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:31 am to
The quotes make Orgeron seem like he has no idea why his team is making the same mistakes over and over or how to fix them.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35429 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:32 am to
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Tyrion Davis-Price, Corey Kiner, Armoni Goodwin and Josh Williams finished with a combined 13 carries for 46 yards.
This is a huge problem. I have zero idea why Williams gets carries. The majority of snaps should be Kiner / TDP with Goodwin getting a part of a couple of series.

We also need to stop the rapid fire substitutions. On one series in the end zone on Saturday Kiner picked up 6 yards. They immediately subbed in Williams, then the very next play they subbed in TDP.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42814 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:41 am to
It's just hard to fathom that last year the defense was one of the worst in the country and this year the run game is among the worst in the country.

Not worst in the SEC in both cases, but Uconn level bad.

How does that happen?

Another thing that will help this team is for any player part of 2019 team graduating and moving on. Bring some players that have some fire left in them and maybe you will see a better effort out on the field. It's not all coaching schemes either.
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1597 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:55 am to
We couldn’t throw back then so Auburn would bring 8 up in the box and eventually stuff our runs.
Posted by baytiger11
Member since Jul 2020
1555 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:57 am to
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The five missed sacks on one play exemplified how much LSU struggled to tackle Nix. Then on the next drive, Auburn faced another fourth-and-2 with a minute left in the first half. LSU covered every route. Nix scrambled out of the pocket. Three defensive linemen chased him 20 yards behind the line of scrimmage.

Means absolutely nothing if you can't get to him.
I appreciate the greats before like Spears & Tyson Jackson.

But I miss having superior LB play. You have to contain a QB like Nix.
Having Queen, White, Phillips, Stevens in coverage and that TE doesn't go streaking for a fluke TD.
Instead, Clark, our supposed "best" LB is playing man on a RB chasing him downfield, while Strong is running around shedding off blocks.

Our DE's just couldn't get it done and Farrell and Evans were basically non-existent.

Can't wait till the days of O thinking he has 4 Warren Sapps are gone.


Posted by DeathByTossDive225
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2019
3952 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 8:57 am to
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I thought that would be one of the strengths of our football team, but it’s not.

This one, combined with pre-season remarks about defense last year, tell you everything you need to know about this program right now.

HC truly does not have a clue.
This post was edited on 10/4/21 at 8:58 am
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1597 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:01 am to
The coaches take forever to call a play THEN they are having Max look over to the sideline for adjustments. It’s not Max it’s the stupid look at me coaching we are doing. I thought O said we weren’t doing that anymore and were going to just run the play called? Guess Peetz told O FU, I’m running this offense how I want! Lol
Posted by TigerInCbus
Raymond
Member since Feb 2018
358 posts
Posted on 10/4/21 at 9:10 am to
What are you talking about? They're usually lined up with 20 seconds or more on the clock, looking for plays for 10 seconds, then scurrying trying to get lined up and snap the ball. Max is a true sophomore - started less than 10 games in his career. The fact that they're having him adjusting plays that late into the play clock is crazy - and not his fault.
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