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re: A tribute to Tiger Stadium...best stadium in the SEC!
Posted on 5/26/14 at 9:50 pm to Jefferson Davis
Posted on 5/26/14 at 9:50 pm to Jefferson Davis
I have only been to one college football game which was LSU vs USCe in 2012. It was an unforgettable experience down in Baton Rouge and everybody there was friendly and welcoming. The noise of the crowd that Saturday night was louder than originally anticipated
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Posted on 5/26/14 at 9:56 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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There is still an end zone left to expand to
They won't expand on the other end zone because there are too many pipes and shite running across that street to drill pylons into the ground.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 10:27 pm to bsmi154
You do know that these are routinely relocated on a daily basis in street reconstruction work? Not saying this will ever happen, but can be done. The problem is relocating the street closer to PMAC as my understanding to accommodate the structure footprint.
Lets see how the new SEZ works out first!
Lets see how the new SEZ works out first!
Posted on 5/26/14 at 10:29 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 5/26/14 at 10:46 pm to jhhingle
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The problem is relocating the street closer to PMAC as my understanding to accommodate the structure footprint.
That's not an issue with any possible North End Zone expansion, according to the plans I saw a few years ago.
The plan involved building the east and west side expansion as close to North Stadium Drive as possible, then filling in the center by going up a few stories. Then cantilevering out the rest.
Here's a small scale example of how it would look, similar to the facade on UT's Neyland Stadium...
I'd actually like to see a grander entrance for the team and the band on the North End Zone anyways.
Posted on 5/26/14 at 11:15 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
IWH the chick in the gold sundress
Posted on 5/26/14 at 11:45 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Yeah I got you but this would be a much greater cantilever structure , which I'm sure can be done(speaking as a CE) but let's see the SEZ in action first!
Posted on 5/27/14 at 12:34 am to jhhingle
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Yeah I got you but this would be a much greater cantilever structure , which I'm sure can be done(speaking as a CE) but let's see the SEZ in action first!
I hear ya! The plans for any North End Zone expansion are out of date now anyways. The gold standard has now been set by Tiger Stadium's South End Zone expansion IMHO.
All future stadium expansions will reference how LSU expanded their stadium.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:38 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Heh, let's compare BDS with TS...
BDS
TS (rendering of finished expansion)
Note the distance of seats from the bleachers to the field, and the amount of chairback seats in each stadium. What you can't see is how much more premium seating overall TS has than BDS. Or how much closer seats are to restrooms and concessions.
Ask yourself as a visiting fan, where would you rather sit? How close are you to exits, restrooms, and concessions?
BDS
TS
Ask yourself, which upper deck would you rather sit in? How close are you to exits, restrooms, and concessions?
BDS
TS
Ask yourself, which lower bowl would you rather sit in? How close are you to exits, restrooms, and concessions? How close is your seat to the field?
BDS
TS
If you're honest, you have to admit that right now Tiger Stadium is a much better place to watch a football game..
BDS
TS (rendering of finished expansion)
Note the distance of seats from the bleachers to the field, and the amount of chairback seats in each stadium. What you can't see is how much more premium seating overall TS has than BDS. Or how much closer seats are to restrooms and concessions.
Ask yourself as a visiting fan, where would you rather sit? How close are you to exits, restrooms, and concessions?
BDS
TS
Ask yourself, which upper deck would you rather sit in? How close are you to exits, restrooms, and concessions?
BDS
TS
Ask yourself, which lower bowl would you rather sit in? How close are you to exits, restrooms, and concessions? How close is your seat to the field?
BDS
TS
If you're honest, you have to admit that right now Tiger Stadium is a much better place to watch a football game..
Posted on 5/27/14 at 7:57 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
To the OP, have you ever been to BDS? Their stadium is much better than the pics that you post. Also, do you realize that when T&M finishes their upgrades, theirs' will be the best in the SEC? You need to take your P&G glasses off and realize that there are schools in the SEC that are better, facility wise, than LSU. LSU doesn't have the best facilities among the big three in the SEC. I'm a realist and you need to use a search engine before you post what you think. 
Posted on 5/27/14 at 9:46 pm to avondale88
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I'm a realist and you need to use a search engine before you post what you think.
I'm a realist, too. And the facts are what they are. Could it be that you failed to read OP entirely? I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.
When I posted this same post over on the SECR, not a single Tide fan argued with me.
Best Football Stadium in the SEC.
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Simply put, Tiger Stadium has the best combination of seats, suites, premium seating overall, and the highest amount of chair back seating overall among all the stadiums in the conference.
The above statement is a fact, period, end of discussion. Nowhere did I say Tiger Stadium is without issues. But you have to give credit where credit is due.
Alabama expanded Bryant-Denny Stadium the old school way, by adding primarily general seats.
LSU took into account the new realities of college football when it expanded. They followed Arkansas' example and added more premium seating instead of general seating.
To sum up, LSU built smarter, not just larger.
Have a great day!
This post was edited on 5/28/14 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:10 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
maybe it is maybe it isnt... but if it isnt a major reason is the "guts" of the existing stadium. that is alot of square footage that could be an amazing space. also, the restrooms many people must use are a very real problem. not because they are filthy (really, who cares) but because of the pedestrian traffic deadlock they create - both in and of themselves but also exacerbated by concession stand lines they intersect.
on a more subjective note: the style of the north endzone is the best in college football, not just the sec. the refurbishing of the roman colosseum facade with all new windows (and nice windows at that) and the addition of a nice gate at top archways (it used to be metal chain fence) all really makes it quite amazing. the style of the two upper decks on either side in my opinion are appropriate. some may argue the west upper is over-styled but in my view it is based on function (screens shading west facing glass from direct light) and its style doesnt try to imitate the style of the iconic north facade.
the new south upper, unfortunately, is a disaster in aesthetics in my humble opinion. it was a mistake to try and mimic the north facade. the thing that makes the north facade so damn nice is its simplicity in materials and proportions. the south side is overly busy, has terribly proportions, and the material (painted concrete? or some other kind of treatment over the concrete) reads very different than the raw concrete elsewhere around stadium. the circular windows centered above the arches are just terrible. not to mention, they really arent a common feature of renaissance italian architecture. it looks more like a circus tent to me. what you do see are circular reliefs centered BETWEEN arches (ex: look b/w columns at music building). but not directly above them. i also think the top row of arches cantilevers out too far from face of building below. so far it begins to look ridiculous - kind of like the top floor of the abandoned jimmy swaggart concrete frame (now a hotel). and the glass and mullion system used on the large vertical mass was poorly chosen in my opinion. a less black low-e coating with perhaps frit would have been more interesting and looked better. (i question the need for that ridiculous mass in the first place). another complain i have is what people are referring to as the "lego blocks" along the top (concession stands?). i understand there is a need to locate building program up there - but it was handled very much like an afterthought. there are better ways to put concessions stands and whatever else those are without them looking like extruded blocks of concrete masonry units. pretty pathetic, really.
tiger stadium is nice but the whole of its recent work really could have been better designed.
on a more subjective note: the style of the north endzone is the best in college football, not just the sec. the refurbishing of the roman colosseum facade with all new windows (and nice windows at that) and the addition of a nice gate at top archways (it used to be metal chain fence) all really makes it quite amazing. the style of the two upper decks on either side in my opinion are appropriate. some may argue the west upper is over-styled but in my view it is based on function (screens shading west facing glass from direct light) and its style doesnt try to imitate the style of the iconic north facade.
the new south upper, unfortunately, is a disaster in aesthetics in my humble opinion. it was a mistake to try and mimic the north facade. the thing that makes the north facade so damn nice is its simplicity in materials and proportions. the south side is overly busy, has terribly proportions, and the material (painted concrete? or some other kind of treatment over the concrete) reads very different than the raw concrete elsewhere around stadium. the circular windows centered above the arches are just terrible. not to mention, they really arent a common feature of renaissance italian architecture. it looks more like a circus tent to me. what you do see are circular reliefs centered BETWEEN arches (ex: look b/w columns at music building). but not directly above them. i also think the top row of arches cantilevers out too far from face of building below. so far it begins to look ridiculous - kind of like the top floor of the abandoned jimmy swaggart concrete frame (now a hotel). and the glass and mullion system used on the large vertical mass was poorly chosen in my opinion. a less black low-e coating with perhaps frit would have been more interesting and looked better. (i question the need for that ridiculous mass in the first place). another complain i have is what people are referring to as the "lego blocks" along the top (concession stands?). i understand there is a need to locate building program up there - but it was handled very much like an afterthought. there are better ways to put concessions stands and whatever else those are without them looking like extruded blocks of concrete masonry units. pretty pathetic, really.
tiger stadium is nice but the whole of its recent work really could have been better designed.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:29 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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If you're honest, you have to admit that right now Tiger Stadium is a much better place to watch a football game..
i looked at the photos you posted and "asked myself" - i cant say it is as obvious as you think it is that tiger stadium is a much better place to watch a football game. ive been to both stadiums in person and they are both mighty fine places to see a game. tiger stadium is awesome for sentimental reasons, and because when it really gets rockin towards the end of an important, close SEC game - wow. but that isnt necessarily the stadium design that does that. it's the nature of LSU fans. put those same crazy cajuns in other stadiums with similar capacity and similar upper decks on each side and i think you would get something pretty much the same (maybe even louder).
in my honest opinion LSU stadium looks pretty cluttered, grimy, and incoherently added onto over decades. doesnt bother me but it does appear that way to me personally.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:39 pm to gerkin
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tiger stadium is nice but the whole of its recent work really could have been better designed.
What Tiger Stadium will do better than any other stadium in the conference is make more money per seat per game than any other stadium will for any of the other schools in the conference.
Again...Tiger Stadium has the best combination of seats, suites, premium seating overall, and the highest amount of chair back seating overall among all the stadiums in the conference.
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So to compare the four largest stadiums...
1) Tiger Stadium - Fourth-largest, second-most suites (highest total suite capacity, all have a capacity of 23), second-most premium seating in SEC. Also has most chair back seats in SEC stadiums.
2) Bryant-Denny Stadium - Third-largest, most suites (most are fairly small at 16 capacity, with a few at 23), fourth-most premium seating in SEC.
3) Kyle Field - Largest, fifth-most suites (Founder's Suites will be largest suites in SEC), third-most premium seating in SEC.
4) Neyland Stadium - Second-largest, fourth-most suites, fifth-most premium seating in SEC.
That's the main stadiums you have to compare Tiger Stadium to, because those are the ones most similar to Tiger Stadium in terms of seats, suites, and premium seating overall.
And out of the four, Tiger Stadium has the most chairback seats overall, and the most premium seating of all types overall. That's just the facts.
Does it need upgrades? Yes. The good news is, upgrades are being studied as we speak...
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And Alleva said LSU is looking into improving the restrooms at Tiger Stadium — which might become necessary if beer sales are ever approved.
On what could happen to the old dorms in Tiger Stadium:
"It’s full of asbestos, so it all would have to be abated. The plumbing is shot. The electrical is shot. The ceilings are really low. It’s a really low ceiling, so aesthetically it limits what you can do. One of the things that we have the architect looking at now, and goes back to the fan experience, we have them looking into the possibility of creating more restroom space out of that dorm space, renovated space for particularly women’s restrooms. Women are really particular about that. So it we could create more restroom space, that would be a real advantage for us.
Joe Alleva talks end zone expansion, beer sales, SEC Network at BR Press Club
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:56 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
based on your reply to my post - it looks like you are now saying LSU will make the most money per seat. that to me is different than saying it is the best stadium and/or the best place to see a football game.
i have no clue if LSU will make the most per seat. i dont doubt you - but i have no comment on that. just purely my opinion on design - to be perfectly frank i think the south addition is really terribly designed.
as for the "guts" of the north and other areas - i dont see the floor to floor heights or things like that being much of an issue. who says they need to keep it as is in terms of floor plates? hell, knock out a few areas of floor plates to create large internal volumes. there are alot of things you can do.just leave critical areas (or add in steel beams) to ensure lateral forces are resisted etc...
hopefully if/when its done it will not be the designer of the south endzone.
i have no clue if LSU will make the most per seat. i dont doubt you - but i have no comment on that. just purely my opinion on design - to be perfectly frank i think the south addition is really terribly designed.
as for the "guts" of the north and other areas - i dont see the floor to floor heights or things like that being much of an issue. who says they need to keep it as is in terms of floor plates? hell, knock out a few areas of floor plates to create large internal volumes. there are alot of things you can do.just leave critical areas (or add in steel beams) to ensure lateral forces are resisted etc...
hopefully if/when its done it will not be the designer of the south endzone.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 10:58 pm to gerkin
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i looked at the photos you posted and "asked myself"
Well then you missed the fact that fans at Tiger Stadium sit closer to the exits and also have more exits to choose from to begin with. Which makes it easier for fans in Tiger Stadium to get up, go to the restroom or the concessions.
And that's not just true in comparison to BDS. You can say the same thing in regards to any other stadium in the conference.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:22 pm to gerkin
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that to me is different than saying it is the best stadium and/or the best place to see a football game.
I'l spell it out for you...Tiger Stadium is a better place to watch a football game than most of the stadiums in this league, and certainly better than any of the other four 100,000+ seat stadiums.
As I said in the OP, Tiger Stadium has the most chair back seats of all types. There's a link in the OP that proves that. It also has the second-most premium seating of all types in the conference to Arkansas' RRS. And Tiger Stadium does have more suites now than RRS.
The South End zone was built mainly vertically, which mean the fans that sit there are still on top of the action. And the suites, club seating, and even the visitors seats up top have unmatched access to amenities compared with other stadiums in the SEC.
Here's what one Aggie poster had to say about the new addition:
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I'd much rather sit in LSU's new seats than anywhere in the lower deck endzones. The great access to amenities is a bonus.
-Roger Klarvin
Here's another quote from a Vol fan:
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I totally agree, if the bathrooms and concessions are gonna be that close then that is a huge plus for Tiger Stadium.
-BigOrangeBri
Simply put, LSU built smarter than most other schools.
When I posted about the new Nicholson Drive Project, the new light rail, and the proposed rail link between BR and NOLA, other SEC were amazed at what we are building around here.
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yep, you'll really planning on putting a lightrail from NO to TS. if so that shites going to be sic and its definitely going to raise the bar. Talking bout an arms race......jeeezzzzzz.
-PintobeansnCornbread
LSU is building something amazing and unmatched here. It's truly a great time to be an LSU fan.
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yep, you'll really planning on putting a lightrail from NO to TS. if so that shites going to be sic and its definitely going to raise the bar. Talking bout an arms race......jeeezzzzzz.
The light rail is to downtown BR. There will be a rail link between BR and NOLA at the station downtown though.
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All of the development projects going on between downtown Baton Rouge and LSU has led to plans to develop a $100 million streetcar line along the Nicholson Drive corridor.
Streetcar line desired for Nicholson Drive corridor
Here is the info on the rail link between Baton Rouge and NOLA:
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Startup costs for a passenger train linking Baton Rouge and New Orleans on existing freight tracks would be $262 million, about half a previous estimate, with federal funds underwriting up to 80 percent of that amount, according to a rail study released Tuesday.
Tickets could be as low as $10 each way. Ridership for twice daily service is estimated at 210,000 in the first year, HNTB said. The service would include stops in between the two cities, and could ultimately grow to more frequent service with a possible station near the New Orleans International Airport.
Consultants envision a convenient alternative for the 1.4 million people who live in the booming parishes along the rail line. A passenger train service would allow riders to work during commutes; offer an evacuation route during hurricanes, especially to Baton Rouge hospitals; and supply easy connections to events, such as LSU and New Orleans Saints football games, Mardi Gras and Jazz Fest.
BR-N.O. passenger rail service estimated at $262 million
Louisiana delegation meets with feds over New Orleans-Baton Rouge passenger rail
Rail from Baton Rouge to New Orleans could cost as little as $10 a trip, study says
Across Nicholson Drive...
I'll say it again...there will be nothing remotely like it in the SEC. Restaurants, shops, and bars right across from the stadium. Which is a good thing, as it allows fans to have a good time while the traffic dies down after games.
Posted on 5/27/14 at 11:33 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Well then you missed the fact that fans at Tiger Stadium sit closer to the exits and also have more exits to choose from to begin with. Which makes it easier for fans in Tiger Stadium to get up, go to the restroom or the concessions.
And that's not just true in comparison to BDS. You can say the same thing in regards to any other stadium in the conference.
no, i didn't miss that. for one - on the list of my criteria that make the ideal game watching environment - proximity to exits and/or bathrooms isn't really near the top. even if it was, its all kind of negated by the fact that i am forced to wait through a rather idle line stretching about 30 yards to get to the bathroom.
also, i dont find the chair-back seats particularly comfortable.
also, showing me maps of louisiana and planned light rail and restaurants doesnt change my opinion of tiger stadium (good or bad) or my game viewing experience there.
dont ask the question if you arent going to accept an answer from someone who doesnt accept your position. especially on a subjective topic like this.
This post was edited on 5/27/14 at 11:39 pm
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:05 am to gerkin
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on the list of my criteria that make the ideal game watching environment - proximity to exits and/or bathrooms isn't really near the top.
Try as I might, I can't make better access to exits and thus quicker access to restrooms and concessions a negative.
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its all kind of negated by the fact that i am forced to wait through a rather idle line stretching about 30 yards to get to the bathroom.
As I pointed out, that's being studied and will be addressed...
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And Alleva said LSU is looking into improving the restrooms at Tiger Stadium — which might become necessary if beer sales are ever approved.
On what could happen to the old dorms in Tiger Stadium:
"It’s full of asbestos, so it all would have to be abated. The plumbing is shot. The electrical is shot. The ceilings are really low. It’s a really low ceiling, so aesthetically it limits what you can do. One of the things that we have the architect looking at now, and goes back to the fan experience, we have them looking into the possibility of creating more restroom space out of that dorm space, renovated space for particularly women’s restrooms. Women are really particular about that. So it we could create more restroom space, that would be a real advantage for us.
Joe Alleva talks end zone expansion, beer sales, SEC Network at BR Press Club
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also, i dont find the chair-back seats particularly comfortable.
They're better than bleacher seats. Most fans in other stadiums don't have that option.
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also, showing me maps of louisiana and planned light rail and restaurants doesnt change my opinion of tiger stadium (good or bad) or my game viewing experience there.
They will enhance the experience of the vast majority of fans here. Can't really argue that.
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dont ask the question if you arent going to accept an answer from someone who doesnt accept your position. especially on a subjective topic like this.
Thing is, there's subjective and there's facts. The facts are that Tiger Stadium has more premium seats of all types than every stadium except Arkansas' and the most chair back seats of any stadium in the league. That's not up for discussion.
Have a great day!
Posted on 5/28/14 at 12:10 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I just can't see this NOLA to BR rail thing happening. BR just does not have the public transportation for it.
Sure it would be great for people going to NOLA from BR, but I don't see how it does anything to help get people to BR.
Sure it would be great for people going to NOLA from BR, but I don't see how it does anything to help get people to BR.
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