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A look at the 08 recruiting class, star gazing
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:14 pm
In 08 (the class of JJ and Peterson), LSU had the #11 recruiting class in the country.
If you look through the class you see a funny correlation between stars and how good kids end up being. That correlation is... there is no correlation.
Rivals does the whole number thing where a 5* is a 6.1 and everything else is below that to try and give you an idea of how good the kid is beyond just a star rating.
Here's some players from that class:
Patrick Johnson (Peterson) - 5* (i think we all know how badass he turned out.)
Deangelo Benton - 5*, didn't qualify academically, decent WR for Auburn
Ryan Baker - 4* 6.0, solid but didn't set the world on fire
Chris Tolliver - 4* 6.0 - complete bust
Brandon Taylor - 4* 5.9 - one of the top 10 safeties in LSU history
Lavar Edwards - 3* 5.5 - Probably the most over achieving, based on rivals, players. Up there with Mo and Hester
P.J. Lonergan - 3* 5.5 - Another over achiever
Alex Hurst - 3* 5.6 - Seeing a trend yet?
Greg Shaw - 4* 5.8 - Again
Looking back on this class just shines some light on how pathetic national recruiting services really are. It doesn't matter what the rankings are of players, it's about the coaches, and LSU has some damn good coaches. This class coming in fills needs. We don't need to worry about stars or national rankings, we need to worry about supporting these kids now that they where our school colors. I for one look forward to seeing this class grow and make this team even stronger in the future.
If you look through the class you see a funny correlation between stars and how good kids end up being. That correlation is... there is no correlation.
Rivals does the whole number thing where a 5* is a 6.1 and everything else is below that to try and give you an idea of how good the kid is beyond just a star rating.
Here's some players from that class:
Patrick Johnson (Peterson) - 5* (i think we all know how badass he turned out.)
Deangelo Benton - 5*, didn't qualify academically, decent WR for Auburn
Ryan Baker - 4* 6.0, solid but didn't set the world on fire
Chris Tolliver - 4* 6.0 - complete bust
Brandon Taylor - 4* 5.9 - one of the top 10 safeties in LSU history
Lavar Edwards - 3* 5.5 - Probably the most over achieving, based on rivals, players. Up there with Mo and Hester
P.J. Lonergan - 3* 5.5 - Another over achiever
Alex Hurst - 3* 5.6 - Seeing a trend yet?
Greg Shaw - 4* 5.8 - Again
Looking back on this class just shines some light on how pathetic national recruiting services really are. It doesn't matter what the rankings are of players, it's about the coaches, and LSU has some damn good coaches. This class coming in fills needs. We don't need to worry about stars or national rankings, we need to worry about supporting these kids now that they where our school colors. I for one look forward to seeing this class grow and make this team even stronger in the future.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 2:16 pm
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Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:17 pm to ibleedprplngld
yeah we get it
recruit rankings are hit or miss
thanks for the 1,000th thread about this
all of these threads just make it seem like all of you are really insecure about this class, and are trying desperately to prove to yourselves that you are not disappointed
it's ok to admit that you might be a bit disappointed
recruit rankings are hit or miss
thanks for the 1,000th thread about this
all of these threads just make it seem like all of you are really insecure about this class, and are trying desperately to prove to yourselves that you are not disappointed
it's ok to admit that you might be a bit disappointed
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:17 pm to ibleedprplngld
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garbage WR for Auburn
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Up there with Mo and Hester
LE was underrated, but not Mo and Hester underrated.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:18 pm to ibleedprplngld
Huh?
When you look at that list, the only first round draft pick is the lone five star who played for LSU - Patrick Peterson.
When you look at that list, the only first round draft pick is the lone five star who played for LSU - Patrick Peterson.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:19 pm to Salmon
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all of these threads just make it seem like all of you are really insecure about this class, and are trying desperately to prove to yourselves that you are not disappointed it's ok to admit that you might be a bit disappointed
I never said i wasn't disappointed, any time you loose what are viewed as the top 3 players in the state you should be disappointed. The purpose is to just show that there is no reason for people to think the sky is falling on the LSU football program because we didn't have a top 5 recruiting class.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:20 pm to The312
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When you look at that list, the only first round draft pick is the lone five star who played for LSU
first round draft picks dont make a college football team elite
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:21 pm to ibleedprplngld
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first round draft picks dont make a college football team elite
Whaaa...I give up. I guess it's a coincidence that Bama has a projected five first round picks this season. And I guess Brockers and Mo didn't help to make us elite in 2011.
Ah frick it.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:23 pm to ibleedprplngld
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A look at the 08 recruiting class, star gazing
I generally love positive outlooks, but study after study has proven that the stars do matter.
This isn't a bad class, but stop exorcising your own disappointment publicly with sunshine pumping non-sense.
Like the season, it was decent by any objective measure. But compared to what could have been, only a fool would described it as anything but a bit of a letdown.
Much of life's happiness/sadness is built upon expectations.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:24 pm to The312
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Whaaa...I give up. I guess it's a coincidence that Bama has a projected five first round picks this season. And I guess Brockers and Mo didn't help to make us elite in 2011.
how many first round draft picks did LSU have in 07?
1
i rest my case.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:27 pm to ibleedprplngld
In fairness to Toliver he had some pretty serious concussion problems that ended his career
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:40 pm to The312
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Whaaa...I give up. I guess it's a coincidence that Bama has a projected five first round picks this season. And I guess Brockers and Mo didn't help to make us elite in 2011.
So you think Bama was better than us by a 5:2 ratio?
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:45 pm to junkfunky
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ibleedprplngld
your username is very true. you are incapable of being objective.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:48 pm to legohairedman
Tolliver i believe would have had a good season if he wouldnt have had to give up football because of head injuries..
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:50 pm to ibleedprplngld
quote:Bust? He had to give up the game due to head injuries. You can't call that a bust.
Chris Tolliver - 4* 6.0 - complete bust
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:53 pm to junkfunky
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Whaaa...I give up. I guess it's a coincidence that Bama has a projected five first round picks this season. And I guess Brockers and Mo didn't help to make us elite in 2011.
So you think Bama was better than us by a 5:2 ratio?
Here's what I'll say: the concept that first round draft picks don't help make a college football team elite is so incorrigibly stupid and indefensible that I refuse to argue it.
In fact, this whole thread is like a traipse through a Kafkaesque labyrinth of dried dog feces. The original poster wanted to demonstrate that stars were "meaningless" and hence posted a list of 2008 recuits. That list contains only one first round draft pick - the lone five star to play for LSU, thereby proving the exact opposite of what the original poster intended. His list actually tends to show the predictive value of star ratings.
Sometimes all I can do is shake my head. People will go to any lengths just to avoid admitting that the class isn't superlative.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:56 pm to The312
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That list contains only one first round draft pick - the lone five star to play for LSU, thereby proving the exact opposite of what the original poster intended. His list actually tends to show the predictive value of star ratings.
Sometimes all I can do is shake my head. People will go to any lengths just to avoid admitting that the class isn't superlative.
so you're saying that the fact that half of our current starting offensive line being under rated by rivals doesn't prove the point i set out to make?
you sir are obviously a genius
Posted on 2/3/12 at 2:59 pm to ibleedprplngld
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so you're saying that the fact that half of our current starting offensive line being under rated by rivals doesn't prove the point i set out to make?
you sir are obviously a genius
What? How in the lord's name have you reached the conclusion that half our currrent starting offensive line was underrated by Rivals? What is your objective proof of that? That conclusion might make sense if THOSE guys were being drafted in the first round, but they aren't. The mere fact that they start for LSU doesn't mean that they were underrated by Rivals.
This post was edited on 2/3/12 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 2/3/12 at 3:05 pm to The312
A better thread would be to compare the star values of both LSU & Alabama's starting 24 and see how they compare. You'll see a lot more star value in Tuscaloosa and yet we were about as even as you can get performance wise. QB being the exception.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 3:05 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Brandon Taylor - 4* 5.9 - one of the top 10 safeties in LSU history
hmmmm. let's see, we got LaRon, Roman, Steltz, Reid (yeah, he's on my list right now), and a bunch of dudes I'm probably not old enough to remember. never thought of BT in that light.
Posted on 2/3/12 at 3:05 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Alex Hurst - 3* 5.6 - Seeing a trend yet?
Alex Hurst is a great example of how a 3 star can look good until they meet a team of 5 star talent that's coached up with a great game plan. In the BCSNCG, he played like dogshit and everyone blamed him by name for letting untouched sacks occur on Jefferson. Its a case where 3 star gets by 95% of the time, but that 5% is really when it counts more than any other situation.
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