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re: 85-20, 6 10 win seasons in 8 years, 2 SEC titles, 1 NC
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:18 pm to GRTiger
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:18 pm to GRTiger
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Your context seems to be your wild expectations in contradiction to reality.
For almosit forty years, LSU was run by backwater Louisiana bumpkins. The AD was a disaster. We failed to cultivate a strong base of donors. We let our facilites molder. The administration was sundered by petty divisions and intrigues. We hired a series of mediocrities and failures on the cheap: Mac, Stovall, Archer, Hallman, DiNardo.
Then Emmert arrived and everything began to change. Fundraising was systematized. Facilities were built and upgraded. We began to make significant investments in head coaches, rather than trying to find "bargains." We made a great hire and a good one: Saban and Miles.
LSU has been a national power for ten years. There is nothing unrealistic about expecting that state of affairs to continue in the new era of professionalism and monetary commitment. We have the money, the facilities, and - most importantly - the captive recruiting base to remain a power ad infinitum barring gross ineptitude.
If there is a new coach, he will win big.
I don't understand why LSU fans have so little faith in LSU.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 9:23 pm
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:21 pm to The312
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I don't why LSU fans have so little faith in LSU.
Truth
Posted on 11/27/12 at 9:43 pm to The312
Because the men with the money are nervous. So I'm nervous.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:12 pm to The312
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We have the money, the facilities, and - most importantly - the captive recruiting base to remain a power ad infinitum barring gross ineptitude
Not sure where to begin. How about asking yourself if Michigan, Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee or hell Bama before Saban just decided to stop investing in their program and turned their decision making over to a room full of complete idiots (or backwater bumpkins) who intentionally hired half wits as coaches just to save a few dollars?
Or maybe just maybe great coaches (and I'm talking about the best of the best in CFB which Miles certainly is) and more importantly a great coach who has the complete vision to see all of the pieces to a very intricate puzzle - building a dynasty of a program - has the ability to not just recruit the best players year after year and hire the best staff (and keep them around by being a decent man who understands they have a life outside of football - unlike Saban) but also WINS more than 80% of the time in the strongest conference in the history of CFB don't come along very often (look at Chizik and Auburn - a NC and 2 ears later FIRED).
And it's not just the head coach - being a consistent winner and a dominant program just doesn't happen "ad infinitum". The unprecedented winning that LSU has experienced the last 12 years will not last forever and there will be a whole wad of fans that continually trash Miles and try to explain away his unbelievable accomplishments while at LSU as "luck" or "Saban started it and any moron could have done what he did" that will look back on CLM's tenure at LSU (which is far from over) and see what most intelligent fans already know - this is the Glory days of LSU football and Les is one of if not the best college football coach thats ever had the privilege to walk the sidelines of Tiger Stadium and they will secretly wish like hell to have another coach half as successful as CLM.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:21 pm to Captain Want
All I'll say is that Miles SHOULD have 3 national titles....that's a FACT...argue that and you're a moron....his Stubbornness got in the way...
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:29 pm to Captain Want
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Captain Want
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:43 pm to Lee Chatelain
I don't completely disagree with what you say but there is a very easy argument to be made in response - LSU was only in the position for those NC's due to Miles and the program he has established.
And to say that its a FACT that he should have 2 more NC's is subjective at best and certainly not FACT. Take last years game against BAMA - I could very easily argue that LSU (nor any other team for that matter) wasn't beating BAMA the way that D played that night. I certainly won't argue that Miles coached a good game but I don't think coaching could have won that game either!
And to say that its a FACT that he should have 2 more NC's is subjective at best and certainly not FACT. Take last years game against BAMA - I could very easily argue that LSU (nor any other team for that matter) wasn't beating BAMA the way that D played that night. I certainly won't argue that Miles coached a good game but I don't think coaching could have won that game either!
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:46 pm to Lee Chatelain
I dont know about 3nc's, but he should have 2 he screwed the pooch on 1/9
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:47 pm to Captain Want
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:51 pm to Captain Want
He isn't going anywhere. It's not like he doesn't have a family to consider. Saban doesn't have ties to anybody so he can jump around at will. Les ain't going anywhere. He will get some extra money for him and his coaches.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:54 pm to RightWingTiger
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Not sure where to begin. How about asking yourself if Michigan, Nebraska, Miami, Tennessee or hell Bama before Saban just decided to stop investing in their program and turned their decision making over to a room full of complete idiots (or backwater bumpkins) who intentionally hired half wits as coaches just to save a few dollars? Or maybe just maybe great coaches (and I'm talking about the best of the best in CFB which Miles certainly is) and more importantly a great coach who has the complete vision to see all of the pieces to a very intricate puzzle - building a dynasty of a program - has the ability to not just recruit the best players year after year and hire the best staff (and keep them around by being a decent man who understands they have a life outside of football - unlike Saban) but also WINS more than 80% of the time in the strongest conference in the history of CFB don't come along very often (look at Chizik and Auburn - a NC and 2 ears later FIRED). And it's not just the head coach - being a consistent winner and a dominant program just doesn't happen "ad infinitum". The unprecedented winning that LSU has experienced the last 12 years will not last forever and there will be a whole wad of fans that continually trash Miles and try to explain away his unbelievable accomplishments while at LSU as "luck" or "Saban started it and any moron could have done what he did" that will look back on CLM's tenure at LSU (which is far from over) and see what most intelligent fans already know - this is the Glory days of LSU football and Les is one of if not the best college football coach thats ever had the privilege to walk the sidelines of Tiger Stadium and they will secretly wish like hell to have another coach half as successful as CLM.
boom!
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:57 pm to Lee Chatelain
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All I'll say is that Miles SHOULD have 3 national titles
wtf stop there. why not 8 nc's?
com'on lee, you can be more negative than that. you have the negatavism of the best. w/ that expectation say what would make lm perfect?
go ahead, you can do it.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:58 pm to Captain Want
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Captain Want
Did you just post on the WWL Link for Facebook?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:08 pm to RightWingTiger
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this is the Glory days of LSU football and Les is one of if not the best college football coach thats ever had the privilege to walk the sidelines of Tiger Stadium and they will secretly wish like hell to have another coach half as successful as CLM.
Today has been very illuminating. It confirmed a long held suspicion: that there is a rampant inferiority complex ravaging the hearts of many LSU fans. Prominentwon claims that LSU can't become a dynasty, only Florida and Bama. He and Choctaw practically stumble over one another in their eagerness to insist that we be happy with our predestined role as second best program in the SEC West. After all, that's what we deserve. And then we have rafts of posters who believe that LSU won't be able to replace Miles and is somehow ordained to fall back into mediocrity. No faith in the inherent strength of the program, no sense of LSU's intrinsic allure and advantages.
I thought ten years of success might purge the catastrophe syndrome Tigers from our ranks. But here they are, masquerading as ardent supporters, scared as ever, certain as ever that LSU is going to stumble, that LSU can never be dominant. Vagitigers.
Really sad.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:14 pm to The312
Explain Tenn, Nebraska, Michigan, Miami, Florida (zook), Bama pre saban, texas (currently), USC, Notre Dame.
How did all of these programs (btw with almost equal if not more tradition than LSU) made bad hires. It happens and for you and others to suggest that Miles is lucky and that another coach could easily have duplicated his accomplishments is nothing more than childish grudges. One day we will look back and realize that this is the golden era of LSU football. It can't last forever just look at the programs above.. those were only the ones off the top of my head, I am sure there are many more examples.
How did all of these programs (btw with almost equal if not more tradition than LSU) made bad hires. It happens and for you and others to suggest that Miles is lucky and that another coach could easily have duplicated his accomplishments is nothing more than childish grudges. One day we will look back and realize that this is the golden era of LSU football. It can't last forever just look at the programs above.. those were only the ones off the top of my head, I am sure there are many more examples.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:27 pm to tigersnipen
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Notre Dame.
They made an excellent hire in Kelley
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texas
Is what we will become if miles is allowed to stay here comfortably with not having to answer for his shortcomings.
LSU has every resource available to stay atop the college football world. Les Miles is NOT irreplaceable
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:29 pm to WHATDOINO
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Notre Dame.
They made an excellent hire in Kelley
After how long of sucking?? Are you willing to waste 20 years?
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texas
You are a retard if you think that.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:36 pm to Lacour
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Ask Tennessee how firing Fulmer worked out?
so similar its scary
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:40 pm to charate
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Explain Tenn, Nebraska, Michigan, Miami, Florida (zook), Bama pre saban, texas (currently), USC, Notre Dame.
none of these schools have the built in recruiting LSU does. LA has most NFL players per capita and no challengers.
Anytme LSU signs a kid from outside LA or Texas you know they are a stud bc of how talent rich our situation is.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:41 pm to charate
i give up, you people are insufferable.
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