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re: 1989-1990 LSU Basketball: What do you remember the problem being?
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:46 am to lsutigers1992
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:46 am to lsutigers1992
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That was the biggest factor. You're down 1 with 10 seconds left against GA Tech in the NCAA Tournament and you have Chris Jackson, Shaq, and Stanley Roberts. So who takes the final shot? You guessed it--Maurice Williamson refused to give them the ball.
I think CJ fouled out in that game. Good post otherwise.
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Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:46 am to Keltic Tiger
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As for no x's & o's, one former player said that they would spend a whole practice on an inbounds play, then, at a crucial part of the game, time out before having to inbound the ball, Dale would gather all the players in a circle & give them a motivational prep talk instead of describing the play.
after practicing it for a day how much description do you need?
there's exponentially more plays in football and no one's diagramming them when the other side of the ball in on the field. they're looking at matchups and what the other team is doing.
guys should know the sets/plays already.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:50 am to Keltic Tiger
Lol, "ok guys, I know we spent all day on the inbounds play, but let me describe it for you in thirty seconds"
Man, with that incompetent goon at the helm, LSU must have been the luckiest school in the history of college basketball to win so many games, two final fours, elite eights, a streak of making the tourney that only uNC matched at the time.
Maybe he wasn't a grease board genius, but geez LSU fans just shite on everything great we had/have.
Man, with that incompetent goon at the helm, LSU must have been the luckiest school in the history of college basketball to win so many games, two final fours, elite eights, a streak of making the tourney that only uNC matched at the time.
Maybe he wasn't a grease board genius, but geez LSU fans just shite on everything great we had/have.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:51 am to lsutigers1992
Brown did most of his best work when his teams were underdogs. I'll give him credit that his late 70s/early 80s teams had talent and they pretty much met expectations. But his best work was probably the jobs he did with the '87, '88 and '93 teams that didn't have big-time talent and yet still made the tournament (and that '87 team would have gotten to the Final Four had they not blown a 12-point lead against Indiana in the second half).
As for the 1989-90 team, well, there were not enough basketballs to go around for all of the stars. And LSU struggled against the press. For some odd reason, Brown always had Wayne Sims inbound the ball except that Sims was especially tenative to throw it in when teams pressed. Resulted in quite a few 5-second calls and timeouts.
As for the 1989-90 team, well, there were not enough basketballs to go around for all of the stars. And LSU struggled against the press. For some odd reason, Brown always had Wayne Sims inbound the ball except that Sims was especially tenative to throw it in when teams pressed. Resulted in quite a few 5-second calls and timeouts.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:53 am to cheo25
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Sims was especially tenative to throw it in when teams pressed. Resulted in quite a few 5-second calls and timeouts.
Strange because they practiced it all week in practice and there was no need to talk about it during the timeout.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:53 am to c on z
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quote: That was the biggest factor. You're down 1 with 10 seconds left against GA Tech in the NCAA Tournament and you have Chris Jackson, Shaq, and Stanley Roberts. So who takes the final shot? You guessed it--Maurice Williamson refused to give them the ball. I think CJ fouled out in that game. Good post otherwise.
Yeah, minus that little factoid, and the opinions expressed earlier in the thread that all Dale did in that game (because he was a shitty X's and O's coach) was to dump the ball to Shaq, such a solid post.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:54 am to bgtiger
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I guess you believe that Dale just sent them back out onto the court with no idea of what to run? Are you serious? Have you ever basketballed bro?
Yes, I've played basketball for many, many years. Know a lot about the game.
I'm only commenting on what I WITNESSED on more than one occasion. Dale was mic'd and the viewers saw the entire timeout. He literally said NOTHING to his team about what set or play to run. NOTHING.
Dispute it if you want, but I saw it and heard it with my own ears (and believe me, I was as incredulous then as you are now).
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:56 am to bgtiger
And the fact that LSU was down 3 and not 1 and needed a 3 to tie. Dumping it to Shaq would not have done any good.
And, with CJ on the bench, Mo Williams was the best option. So, him taking a 3 pointer was the right call.
Other than all of the facts, that criticism was right on.
And, with CJ on the bench, Mo Williams was the best option. So, him taking a 3 pointer was the right call.
Other than all of the facts, that criticism was right on.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 9:59 am to AlaTiger
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And the fact that LSU was down 3 and not 1 and needed a 3 to tie. Dumping it to Shaq would not have done any good.
And, with CJ on the bench, Mo Williams was the best option. So, him taking a 3 pointer was the right call.
Other than all of the facts, that criticism was right on
From a newspaper article:
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Had Williamson's driving layup not trickled out with eight seconds left and Tech clinging to a 92-91 lead, LSU might now be headed home to New Orleans
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:00 am to atltiger6487
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but you implied that he sent the team onto the court with no idea of what to do. That's ridiculous.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:04 am to lsutigers1992
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Incredible talent, bad coaching, bad fundamentals, missed free throws, choking big leads. It's no doubt Johnny Jones learned from the master.
Dale wasn't a detail guy, he was always focused on so many other things outside of basketball. Johnny is a very different coach from Dale in style, manner and substance. I think he's more detail oriented than Dale,
but I don't think he's as assertive nor does he motivate as well IMHO.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 10:12 am to bgtiger
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I'm not saying it didn't happen, but you implied that he sent the team onto the court with no idea of what to do. That's ridiculous.
I'm not implying it, I'm saying explicitly that it happened.
And yes, it IS ridiculous. But that's what Dale did, and other posters have said they witnessed the same thing.
Again, I share your disbelief, but it happened.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:33 pm to thekid
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Continually dumped it inside to Shaquille and if he didn't dunk, it didn't go in...we would get behind and then ask CJ to bring us back...
Wrong. Very seldom ran plays for Oneal his freshman year. 90% of all the plays ran through Jackson or Roberts, neither of whom played much defense. They should have run more high low with Shaq. and Singleton making backcuts. Those two rarely failed to score or draw fouls down low. Way too many outside shots were thrown up by that team.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 12:53 pm to AlaTiger
Wimp Sanderson once spoke of the 1989-1990 team with this observation:
"They're so good even Dale can't screw 'em up."
"They're so good even Dale can't screw 'em up."
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:40 pm to TimeAndTide
Wimp never said anything like that at a final four or elite eight press conference.
That dude probably falls into the "does less with more" category more than Dale.
That dude probably falls into the "does less with more" category more than Dale.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:44 pm to Nix to Twillie
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quote: we had some guys who could literally light it up
Dear God! Why do people constantly use this word. It's almost always used incorrectly and is very seldom necessary.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 1:52 pm to TimeAndTide
And the famous quote by Bobby Knight:
"I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance."
-Commenting on that stormy 1987 game with LSU
"I was worried about losing until I looked down the floor and saw Dale Brown. Then I knew we had a chance."
-Commenting on that stormy 1987 game with LSU
Posted on 4/14/15 at 2:02 pm to Wind Rivers Tiger
Yeah. He just knew he wouldn't get t'd up for acting like a madman at the scorers table, or that a freshman guard would miss a one and one. It's a cute statement, but he was very fortunate against Dale and LSU.
Posted on 4/14/15 at 2:53 pm to bgtiger
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Yeah. He just knew he wouldn't get t'd up for acting like a madman at the scorers table, or that a freshman guard would miss a one and one. It's a cute statement, but he was very fortunate against Dale and LSU.
It's not all Fess Irvin's fault. We blew a sizable second half lead.
I don't remember every detail of that game, but when a team blows a nice lead, it's usually fair to put a big chunk of the blame on the coach.
This post was edited on 4/14/15 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 4/14/15 at 3:16 pm to RANDY44
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Wrong. Very seldom ran plays for Oneal his freshman year. 90% of all the plays ran through Jackson or Roberts, neither of whom played much defense. They should have run more high low with Shaq. and Singleton making backcuts. Those two rarely failed to score or draw fouls down low. Way too many outside shots were thrown up by that team.
This really epitomizes the in-game criticisms of Dale Brown. As we all know, he was an outstanding motivator and recruiter. He genuinely cared about his players
The problem with Brown was not completely his "x's and o's", but his inability to understand the in-game situation. Many times his great players had complete free-reign on the offensive end (Jackson was the most glaring example). It really was close to a "just roll the ball out and our guys will outplay your guys approach". Defense was optional other than lets just try to block everything. LSU could be up by a nice margin and they would continue to put up quick shot after quick shot. There was no, "let's play how the situation dictates." If the shots were falling and continued to fall then it was lights out. If not, LSU could shoot/play themselves OUT of games they had no business losing.
If you remember, LSU was embarrassing Ga. Tech to start the game. They were up in the first half by 17 points!!! (22-5) with about 12 minutes to go only to have Tech come back to make the score 41-40 at half. LSU rarely played smart, situational basketball. It was full steam ahead all the time.
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