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re: Update: Odoh in summer school trying to graduate. LSU waiting on eligibility?
Posted on 5/9/12 at 9:22 pm to Tiger Authority
Posted on 5/9/12 at 9:22 pm to Tiger Authority
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And we disagree. There shouldn't be any restrictions on a kid that has never attended classes and whose coach takes a new job. I think restrictions of not allowing current players go to a school in the same conference is fine, but with recruits, I think such a restriction is too restrictive.
I understand your position, and it supports what I said earlier. Here is what I said:
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LSU is not a random school.
Restricting a transfer to a school that your former coach just left you for is probably the most reasonable restriction that exists.
If you don't think that is reasonable, then you probably don't think any kind of restriction is reasonable.
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Posted on 5/9/12 at 9:56 pm to moneyg
Well we may not agree but we're at least on the level. 
Posted on 5/9/12 at 10:20 pm to moneyg
I understand and can agree to some restrictions, including from following the coach. However, in this case, UNT has already replaced him and doesn't even have a scholarship for him.
There are other extenuating circumstances as well. Just a total bad move for UNT.
There are other extenuating circumstances as well. Just a total bad move for UNT.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 6:41 am to Bubba Hotep
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I understand and can agree to some restrictions, including from following the coach. However, in this case, UNT has already replaced him and doesn't even have a scholarship for him.
There are other extenuating circumstances as well. Just a total bad move for UNT.
If any restrictions would make sense, it would make sense for LSU.
I think what you are saying is that there should be no restrictions at all.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 7:37 am to moneyg
I don't think there should be restrictions for recruits. for transfers, yes. Especially within conference as they can have a lot of insight into game plans etc...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 8:40 am to Elleshoe
I don't totally disagree, but I do see the logic in preventing the ex-coach from raiding the very program for whom he was paid to recruit those very kids.
Like I said, if there was ever a reason to restrict a transfer of an incoming player, this would be it. I think a lot of people are just unable to consider that point given that LSU is the party being restricted.
Like I said, if there was ever a reason to restrict a transfer of an incoming player, this would be it. I think a lot of people are just unable to consider that point given that LSU is the party being restricted.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 8:41 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 8:47 am to moneyg
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Like I said, if there was ever a reason to restrict a transfer of an incoming player, this would be it.
Why? The kid wants to follow the coach that recruited him. What's the harm in that? Especially since they can't take him anyway. It seems really really petty on UNT's part.
And yes, I get that he recruited him while at UNT. I'm sure Jones made a lot of contacts and gained experience while at UNT. Does he have to leave all those things as well?
I get why they wouldn't want to play against him in conference, but it's just petty not to let the kid go where he wants to go.
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I do see the logic in preventing the ex-coach from raiding the very program for whom he was paid to recruit those very kids.
Odoh can't go there even if he wanted to. They don't have a scholarship. And UNT did the same thing with their new coach.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 9:57 am to Suntiger
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Why?
I explained why. You do not have to agree.
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Odoh can't go there even if he wanted to. They don't have a scholarship. And UNT did the same thing with their new coach.
They don't have a spot because Odoh asked for his release and they needed to replace him. If I am wrong about this then I agree it is petty. But it appears to me that Odoh initiated the process. If I am right then you are being intellectually dishonest in your argument.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 9:58 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:00 am to moneyg
Benford had their new center recruit Coleman already in his pocket. The parting with Odoh was mutual, therefore, there should be no restriction.
I have no problem with restrictions, but there should be some common sense. If you no longer want the guy, don't restrict him. They have replaced him with, arguably, an equal or better player. Where's the harm?
I have no problem with restrictions, but there should be some common sense. If you no longer want the guy, don't restrict him. They have replaced him with, arguably, an equal or better player. Where's the harm?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 10:16 am to Bubba Hotep
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Benford had their new center recruit Coleman already in his pocket. The parting with Odoh was mutual, therefore, there should be no restriction.
If you are saying that UNT would not have let him enroll with a scholarship or at least prefetrred that he would not then I agree with you.
But I doubt that is the case assuming this kid is anywhere near the player everyone is hoping (good enough to contribute in the SEC).
But in general it absolutely makes sense to restrict your incoming recruits from following your ex coach.
This post was edited on 5/10/12 at 10:17 am
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:25 am to moneyg
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Benford had their new center recruit Coleman already in his pocket. The parting with Odoh was mutual, therefore, there should be no restriction.
If you are saying that UNT would not have let him enroll with a scholarship or at least prefetrred that he would not then I agree with you.
It's probably a little of both. Odoh wanted to play for Jones and he left and Coleman wanted to play for Benford. I doubt we'll ever know though.
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in general it absolutely makes sense to restrict your incoming recruits from following your ex coach.
That's what I disagree with. Kids want to play for a coach. The same thing happened when Cal went to Kentucky. It happens all the time. They want to play a style, not for a jersey of particular school. The coach is the one who built a relationship, not the athletic director, not the not the fans, not the equipment manager.
Does this mean that Jones can't recruit kids in Dallas he was recruiting before he came to LSU?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 11:58 am to Bubba Hotep
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Tony Benford was recruiting Keith Coleman at Marquette. New Nebraska coach Tim Miles wanted Coleman to stay with the Huskers. Coleman wanted his release, so Miles released him with no restrictions.
Benford is a fricking hypocrite.
Shocking. God I really hope Alleva calls up the UNT AD (whoever it is) and says, good luck trying to find a football payout in 2013, because we won't be playing you anymore for quite some time. Might get them to change there tune a bit imo
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:10 pm to moneyg
Odoh is not make or break for LSU, if he was that good why weren't other big time schools on him. Let him go the jc route than LSU can recruit him from there if he's more than a Sun Belt post player
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:18 pm to nicholastiger
He's already at junior college. He signed early and had a great season afterwards. Will have good offers if he's on the market.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:24 pm to nicholastiger
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Odoh is not make or break for LSU, if he was that good why weren't other big time schools on him. Let him go the jc route than LSU can recruit him from there if he's more than a Sun Belt post player
If you're going to comment on LSU basketball recruiting, please try to do so in a less ignorant way.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:27 pm to ProjectP2294
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ProjectP2294
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:27 pm to nicholastiger
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Odoh is not make or break for LSU, if he was that good why weren't other big time schools on him. Let him go the jc route than LSU can recruit him from there if he's more than a Sun Belt post player
Posted on 5/10/12 at 3:08 pm to ProjectP2294
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If you're going to comment on LSU basketball recruiting, please try to do so in a less ignorant way.
this.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 4:06 pm to nicholastiger
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nicholastiger
"Swing and a miss, for called strike three."
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