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The Receiver Position Under Canada
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:24 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:24 am
It's obvious that coach Canada has a diverse offense that excels in spreading the ball around. Last season the LEADING receiver for Pitt only had 36 receptions. Does anyone think that it will be a little more difficult to recruit the receiver position in such a diversified offense that features more running plays for receivers?
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Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:09 am to LSU=DBU
Add a little context...
Pitt '16 had 91 rushes by WR (LSU=13)
Pitt was 62.6% rushes (LSU=60.6%)
Pitt had a total of 189 rec/comp (LSU=174)
Pitt ran 866 plays (LSU=757)
*did not adjust for 1 less game by LSU
What I glean from that... rather the sales points I would make to WRs using that info is that:
A) WRs were much more involved (total plays w/rushes & passes)
B) Canada is trying to get the ball in hands of playmakers
C) Because of the spread the ball around, you as a WR, have some distinct advantages. E.g. less bump and run and easier to get off the line.
There is a lot of truth to those. Not 100%. Nevertheless there's data to support the "sales pitches".
So no, I do not see them having issues convincing WRs. Sales pitch (A) is the big one.
ETA: thought of another pitch, to RB, QB, and WR that has a lot of truth to it...
"We run spread concepts". That's basically what Canada does, or has done at times (he's somewhat all over the place historically). Stretch field horizontally, get fastest players in space with ball. That's the objective. And if you're creative enough, and talented enough, you can do that from any formation and no matter the spacing on your linemen.
Pitt '16 had 91 rushes by WR (LSU=13)
Pitt was 62.6% rushes (LSU=60.6%)
Pitt had a total of 189 rec/comp (LSU=174)
Pitt ran 866 plays (LSU=757)
*did not adjust for 1 less game by LSU
What I glean from that... rather the sales points I would make to WRs using that info is that:
A) WRs were much more involved (total plays w/rushes & passes)
B) Canada is trying to get the ball in hands of playmakers
C) Because of the spread the ball around, you as a WR, have some distinct advantages. E.g. less bump and run and easier to get off the line.
There is a lot of truth to those. Not 100%. Nevertheless there's data to support the "sales pitches".
So no, I do not see them having issues convincing WRs. Sales pitch (A) is the big one.
ETA: thought of another pitch, to RB, QB, and WR that has a lot of truth to it...
"We run spread concepts". That's basically what Canada does, or has done at times (he's somewhat all over the place historically). Stretch field horizontally, get fastest players in space with ball. That's the objective. And if you're creative enough, and talented enough, you can do that from any formation and no matter the spacing on your linemen.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 6:18 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 6:14 am to LSU=DBU
Their best receiver last year was quadree Henderson and he only had 26 catches but had over 600 rushing yards. It's less about regular statistics and more about getting the ball in the hands of your playmakers. Henderson was an all American last year with those statistics.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 6:15 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:23 am to LSU=DBU
we got some pretty damn good recievers to commit when miles was 75-25 run-pass ratio(Sarcasm)...so i feel like if anything it will be easier to recruit WRs
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:41 am to I20goon
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Pitt was 62.6% rushes (LSU=60.6%)
Does anyone expect this to go down this year with a hoss like Guice at Canada's disposal? Not talking forever, but this particular year? If anything I'd think LSU might be 65/35 run.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:51 am to JJ27
He had a pretty nice running back at Pittsburgh last year, too. Connors probably is not Guice level, but he was still a third round draft pick.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:54 am to JJ27
I fully expect it to be in the mid-60's.
In fact, the better the offense does on 1st downs the higher the run:pass ratio is what I expect.
IF that comes to fruition, you'll see a much better offense running the ball more and throwing out of need less.
And then there's Canada's belief/system/promise to identify talent and use them. Connor is a beast. He used him (pass & run) extensively. No way he doesn't do the same or more with Guice.
In fact, the better the offense does on 1st downs the higher the run:pass ratio is what I expect.
IF that comes to fruition, you'll see a much better offense running the ball more and throwing out of need less.
And then there's Canada's belief/system/promise to identify talent and use them. Connor is a beast. He used him (pass & run) extensively. No way he doesn't do the same or more with Guice.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 7:54 am to whitefoot
I just don't think we are going to see this air raid offense many are expecting. Different formations? Tons more motion? Absolutely. In the end though, Canada coaches to his talent and he has IMO the best back in the nation. I don't foresee him having less running plays this year.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 8:09 am to JJ27
I agree with you and l20goon. I don't think Canada cares about run pass percentage, only offensive efficiency and scoring points. Pitt's leading receiver last year averaged over 24 ypc. As noted earlier, their best receiver had 600 rushing yards.
I think the selling parts for receiver are:
Winning (hopefully)
Fun efficient offensive
More overall touches
I think the selling parts for receiver are:
Winning (hopefully)
Fun efficient offensive
More overall touches
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:42 am to LSU=DBU
Not at all, several WR will touch the ball alot in his offense. I also think with us having trouble getting WR now, Coach O will have Canada featuring them as much as he can, as he knows recruits will be watching year one this fall to see what we can do in the passing game post Miles/Cameron.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:24 am to LSU=DBU
He'll run an offense that best utilizes the talent. Look at his whole career and not just last season.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:35 am to JJ27
I am expecting him to actually throw it to Guice more, as well as run it.
No Air Raid for sure, but LSU fans will be ecstatic to see little predictability, multiple weapons touching the ball multiple times, out-scheming DC's with shifts and formations to get mismatches, attacking EVERY INCH of the field as opposed to just the LOS and deep sideline from years past.
No Air Raid for sure, but LSU fans will be ecstatic to see little predictability, multiple weapons touching the ball multiple times, out-scheming DC's with shifts and formations to get mismatches, attacking EVERY INCH of the field as opposed to just the LOS and deep sideline from years past.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:36 am to TigerAlum93
Drake Davis finna eat..
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:45 pm to ShreveportTiger1987
Guice, Chark, and Moreau will be the main feature of this offense but of course we will get more players involved like Drake probably more for red zone and deep ball type plays. I also think CEH will get many touches this year. We have lots of weapons on offense and I can't wait to see how we use them all.
I think as long as the offense looks fun to these recruits Canada and LSU can show how that particular recruit would be used in it. Replace that player in film session with someone else making big plays currently.
Really want to see if Phillips, Taylor, Chassion, Stevens, Delpit, and Queen get playing time this year. Phillips, Taylor, Chassion, and White would be a killer lb core. Idk why people think we lack depth. Another alignment on long 3rd downs would be Key, Chassion/Anthony/Thornton, Phillips, and White. You wouldn't know who was coming or going. Then we would have crazy length out there.
Aranda will have an arsenal to work with this year and in the future. Idk why he would ever want to leave a place like this. He can keep building and building into one of the fastest most ferocious defense's ever assembled. GT
I think as long as the offense looks fun to these recruits Canada and LSU can show how that particular recruit would be used in it. Replace that player in film session with someone else making big plays currently.
Really want to see if Phillips, Taylor, Chassion, Stevens, Delpit, and Queen get playing time this year. Phillips, Taylor, Chassion, and White would be a killer lb core. Idk why people think we lack depth. Another alignment on long 3rd downs would be Key, Chassion/Anthony/Thornton, Phillips, and White. You wouldn't know who was coming or going. Then we would have crazy length out there.
Aranda will have an arsenal to work with this year and in the future. Idk why he would ever want to leave a place like this. He can keep building and building into one of the fastest most ferocious defense's ever assembled. GT
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:53 pm to BayouBengal99
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Phillips, Taylor, Chassion, and White would be a killer lb core. Idk why people think we lack depth
We definitely lacked depth before this past NSD. Now, we lack experienced depth.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 12:45 am to whitefoot
Somewhat agree but we still have lots of experience out there. DB Jackson, Battle, Tolliver, Lewis, Paris, LB Alexander, Divinity, Voorhies, Thompson then all the RSF or sophomore that played a lot of football. Add those guys to the really talented freshman class and it's pretty good depth IMO. It could certainly be better but it's decent.
Most of the freshman I mentioned are football smart and physically ready to play. They probably won't be ready for the start of the season but by mid season they could be ready to go. We might need some of them by seasons end and we have the option to go to them. Guys like Phillips, Delpit, Stevens, Talyor, Deculus will be hard to keep off the field Imo. We'll see
Most of the freshman I mentioned are football smart and physically ready to play. They probably won't be ready for the start of the season but by mid season they could be ready to go. We might need some of them by seasons end and we have the option to go to them. Guys like Phillips, Delpit, Stevens, Talyor, Deculus will be hard to keep off the field Imo. We'll see
Posted on 7/26/17 at 4:37 am to LSU=DBU
Just the recruiting aspect of the op's question. There are 3 areas of the field that I am not concerned about recruiting at LSU. Running back, wide receiver, and defensive back. The state of Louisiana consistently produces players at those three spots. People asked how Les kept getting those receivers and that is why. Most of them were in state players
Posted on 7/26/17 at 6:31 am to LSU=DBU
Impressive fact/stat findings but I do think that there is the potential of this effecting recruiting. Typically, WRs who carry the ball a lot are viewed as slot guys at the next level. LSU has had success in having receivers move on to the pro level and excel, and I'm not just talking OBJ or JL. IMO, if I'm a kid with pro aspirations I'd shy away from playing in an offense that didn't allow me to fully showcase my hands and route running and ability to create separation or beat press coverage in the SEC on a consistent basis. To find this type of player, you'd have to target a kid that was a RB in high school and recruit him as an ATH. Although LSU rarely play guys in the X position that are 6'3" or better, I don't think this style of play helps. From a fan perspective it doesn't bother me as long as it produces wins. 
Posted on 7/26/17 at 7:03 am to BayouBengal99
I think the other key factor here that I haven't seen you post is that Aranda now has another year, the defense was clicking something serious at the end of the season and now most of these guys will have been in it for a year now and more packages can be implemented.
Posted on 7/26/17 at 2:25 pm to Blanky6715
Yes absolutely correct but this will really be showcased when 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019 are senior, junior, sophomore, and freshman. Even more so the year after that and Aranda's first real LB class are seniors, if we can somehow keep 1 or 2 here.
When Phillips, Queen, Taylor, and Chassion are juniors this defense is going to be filthy and if we can keep recruiting at a high level in the front we will be equal to Bama at this point no doubt about it.
The 2019 class will be coming in as freahman at that point and that linebacker class is just as good so we will have AA talent laden experience with AA talent laden freshman and All SEC if not AA type talent in between. At that point LSU should be recruiting at a very high level to boost the 2019 and 20 classes even more so.
If LSU gets a big hit from one of our QBs and this offense takes off with the defense then the sky is the limit for us really. GT
When Phillips, Queen, Taylor, and Chassion are juniors this defense is going to be filthy and if we can keep recruiting at a high level in the front we will be equal to Bama at this point no doubt about it.
The 2019 class will be coming in as freahman at that point and that linebacker class is just as good so we will have AA talent laden experience with AA talent laden freshman and All SEC if not AA type talent in between. At that point LSU should be recruiting at a very high level to boost the 2019 and 20 classes even more so.
If LSU gets a big hit from one of our QBs and this offense takes off with the defense then the sky is the limit for us really. GT
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