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re: Reality Check for Whiners,Posers, Negatitgers and Other Assorted Idiots
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:13 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:13 am to Prominentwon
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I'm going wipe my tears away with a printout of last years top ranked La. prospects and google the word "trend."
LSU has 5 players suspended for conduct during the 2011 year
LSU retools its high scoring offense by benching its QB
LSU trails for the 1st time at halftime in its last 3 games, after the offensive switch
LSU embarasses itself in the BCS game
LSU becomes the brunt of national jokes
LSU coach has to fly to players homes to beg them to return
LSU has departing players publicly vent about the program
LSU loses a recruit that it "doesnt have room for"
LSU loses the #1 QB recruit
LSU gets out-recruited in its own state
LSU has a questionable NSD in rankings and in not reaching its 25 scholly cap
What is about "a trend" that your google search doesnt get?
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Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:15 am to ThomasDunson
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If you don't mind, can you support this statement with some actual facts rather than your gut feeling so we can critically evaluate it. If you have these facts, then maybe the concern is warranted.
I dont recall swinging and missing on all of the top 3 in LA in the current era (granted Devall was not an active play). I dont recall missing on getting no player in the top 25 since 2007. I dont recall getting left at the alter quite like Kiel left us or Davis. Patterson is what it is.
Dont get me wrong, we miss players every year... every program does. But this year, we were either aiming lower or whiffed at the more top line players (again those could be wrong but we had a real strong trend since 2007 of getting play at those levels and getting atleast one baller every year).
Ofcourse these examples, along with any you can provide, are anectdotal at best.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:17 am to ThomasDunson
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Like sarcasm, too difficult of a concept for these critical thinkers.
Just when I think you are going to start talking like an adult after your adolescent first post.... oh well i guess we were both wrong on this thread.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:18 am to RobbBobb
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What is about "a trend" that your google search doesnt get?
You've been crying and trying to convince everyone that LSU is in terrible shape and on the way to the Music City Bowl since the NCG.
At least you're consistent.
A little emotional and overreactive, but consistent.
You've actually reached foosball levels, so all in all.....you're posts = humor now.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:20 am to USMCTiger03
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Effectiveness does not mean Omnipotent. Perhaps you should direct your "critical thinking" on that notion.
LOL. I wish I had the false sense of security of living in a black and white world without these dastardly shades of grey. Thanks for your indepth contribution to the thread
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:21 am to Prominentwon
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You've actually reached foosball levels, so all in all.....you're posts = humor now.
I actually relish the angst and hate that those type of fans harbor inside themselves. I enjoy their suffering.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:21 am to LSUTil_iDie
quote:and win BCS Championships every other year
Thing is Bama doesn't recruit for depth. They recruit star power which is why they seemingly have to reload every two or three years.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:21 am to igoringa
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Recruiting is not static and I personally do not look at LSU in isolation. We have a division rival that is shooting the lights out... not a good time for any slip up.
Of course not, and would it have been better to get a top 5 class and all the publicity it entails, sure. But again, back to my fundamental point, the sky is not falling. Being someone who does not look at things in isolation, go peruse Alabama's returning roster. Seems like many of their more heralded recruits from the last 3 years have not really panned out. Also have a ton of spring cleaning to do to fit this class. Saban employs a different philosophy than Miles, does not mean it is better. Seasons depend on what you get out of the 3 and 4 star guys, something LSU's coaching staff has shown the ability to do (Claiborne/Bennie Logan/Ken Adams all 3 stars) as well as get 5* play out of 4*s (Mathieu/Simon/Brockers/Reid/C. Faulk). Does any rational fan feel that there was an appreciable talent difference between UAt and LSU this year? Point being, by the logic most use re rankings, they rather Landon Collins over Eric Reid.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:23 am to meauxjeaux2
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and win BCS Championships every other year
Yep. Every two years they win a BCSC. Without fail.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:23 am to ThomasDunson
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But again, back to my fundamental point, the sky is not falling.
I personally dont think the sky is falling, I am just a little concerned over this recruiting season. I am not in the 'this is like Dinardo camp' by anymeans. I dont just think we have much room for error.
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Being someone who does not look at things in isolation, go peruse Alabama's returning roster. Seems like many of their more heralded recruits from the last 3 years have not really panned out.
As will happen with all teams and all classes. However, their recruiting classes are so stacked they can have the busts and still win 2 of the last 3 BCS championships and consistently pull 1 and 2 rated classes.
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Also have a ton of spring cleaning to do to fit this class. Saban employs a different philosophy than Miles, does not mean it is better.
Results will dictate that. Hard to argue that Sabans results have not been spectactular (I hate the guy).
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Does any rational fan feel that there was an appreciable talent difference between UAt and LSU this year?
No, but this discussion is about this class not the past. Yes, when garnered as much talent out of our top 5 classes as they did out of their top 2 classes. That is not the metrics this year. As you said, they are a #1 recruiting class before they even got the 2 highest ranked LA players. It appears to be a bigger gap this year then in the prior years. May not turn out that way ofcourse.
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Point being, by the logic most use re rankings, they rather Landon Collins over Eric Reid.
Fair enough. But on signing day, that is all we have. And again, I assume since we offered Collins, Davis, Patterson, Kiel et al... that our coaches think they are pretty good.
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This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:25 am to Rickety Cricket
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I actually relish the angst and hate that those type of fans harbor inside themselves. I enjoy their suffering.
Good way to look at it.
intstead of getting frustrated with the ridiculous stupidity and incomprehensible reasoning.....I'll have to take this route.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:25 am to RobbBobb
RobbBobb, you are a total idiot. Like I said in my first post, go find another team to root for.
Perhaps the staff did not want to reach the 25 number due to (a) returning players already on scholarship and (b) the ability to sign more next year. Think about it.
Also, to this LSU gets out-recruited in its own state, go read any Dirty Dozen or blue chip list in any state paper or any ranking service and let me know what school signed the most.
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LSU has a questionable NSD in rankings and in not reaching its 25 scholly cap
Perhaps the staff did not want to reach the 25 number due to (a) returning players already on scholarship and (b) the ability to sign more next year. Think about it.
Also, to this LSU gets out-recruited in its own state, go read any Dirty Dozen or blue chip list in any state paper or any ranking service and let me know what school signed the most.
This post was edited on 2/2/12 at 9:27 am
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:25 am to igoringa
Well, pick one: DO you want insane depth or do you want to pull in these stud recruits that base their decisions (in whole or in part) on how quickly they will get playing time?
This article sums the Davis situation up well:
LINK
You can rarely have it both ways. Some top recruits are humble enough to sign on understanding they will have to wait their turn, but many are not. Or maybe their situation back home creates pressure for them to get on the field and perform ASAP in order to move more quickly to a potential NFL payday.
BamaShorty may have signed a great class, but he also lost many key starters and is able to sell the possibility of quick PT, whereas at LSU, we're so deep that recruits know they may not touch the field for a year. Or even two.
This article sums the Davis situation up well:
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The Longhorns are very young behind Acho and Robinson, and their positions will be up for grabs in spring practice. Keenan Thompson and Steve Edmond received playing time last season but neither are surefire superstars for Mack Brown's Longhorns.
LINK
You can rarely have it both ways. Some top recruits are humble enough to sign on understanding they will have to wait their turn, but many are not. Or maybe their situation back home creates pressure for them to get on the field and perform ASAP in order to move more quickly to a potential NFL payday.
BamaShorty may have signed a great class, but he also lost many key starters and is able to sell the possibility of quick PT, whereas at LSU, we're so deep that recruits know they may not touch the field for a year. Or even two.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:25 am to igoringa
I don't care to get into the crap about who is inappropriately negative or positive, but there is a striking inconsistency in our program:
In terms of talent and wins,we have never been in better shape...even when Saban was here. !3-1 and Pre Season No. 1 says it all.
EXCEPT that no major program has had a series of more embarrassing incidents than LSU over the past three years or so: Ole Miss, Tenn, even the Auburn win. And the manner in which we lost to Ala. was a disservice to the team and players.
Now, for the first time in memory, we are jsut losing good player, but SEVERAL of the top players in the state.
It is seemingly inexplicable and Les doesn't feel any explanation is needed.
In some respects we are a victim of our reasonable expectations...
In terms of talent and wins,we have never been in better shape...even when Saban was here. !3-1 and Pre Season No. 1 says it all.
EXCEPT that no major program has had a series of more embarrassing incidents than LSU over the past three years or so: Ole Miss, Tenn, even the Auburn win. And the manner in which we lost to Ala. was a disservice to the team and players.
Now, for the first time in memory, we are jsut losing good player, but SEVERAL of the top players in the state.
It is seemingly inexplicable and Les doesn't feel any explanation is needed.
In some respects we are a victim of our reasonable expectations...
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:29 am to igoringa
quote:"black and white"? You are essentially saying that because they lost 3 recruits, they are not effective. Is there anything more "black and white" than that??
LOL. I wish I had the false sense of security of living in a black and white world without these dastardly shades of grey. Thanks for your indepth contribution to the thread
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:30 am to igoringa
Good point.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:33 am to nitwit
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In some respects we are a victim of our reasonable expectations...
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:33 am to Rickety Cricket
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I actually relish the angst and hate that those type of fans harbor inside themselves. I enjoy their suffering.
This is great and so true. Imagine what a sadomasochist a guy like RobbBobb has to be if he pays money to go see LSU, or even spends a minute of his time (like posting) about something he sees so negatively. He must be insane.
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:34 am to ThomasDunson
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Perhaps the staff did not want to reach the 25 number due to (a) returning players already on scholarship and (b) the ability to sign more next year. Think about it.
They has offers out to Elston, Davis and Patterson that were rejected yesterday. Clearly they were fine using all 25. The reason they did not use all 25 is those players chose to go elsewhere
Posted on 2/2/12 at 9:37 am to USMCTiger03
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DO you want insane depth or do you want to pull in these stud recruits that base their decisions (in whole or in part) on how quickly they will get playing time?
It is a balance USMC and you know that. The depth argument was dispelled by USC in the 2000's and Bama on this current run.
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BamaShorty may have signed a great class, but he also lost many key starters and is able to sell the possibility of quick PT, whereas at LSU, we're so deep that recruits know they may not touch the field for a year. Or even two.
He has signed a great class for about 5 years now. And dont confuse me for a Saban lover.
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