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re: LSU commitment Landon Marceaux was brilliant,
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:27 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 4/7/17 at 10:27 pm to Lester Earl
So many individual physiological and biomechanical factors would go into the equation on whether it was acceptable for an individual to throw that many pitches that there is no set age that you would say it is okay for someone to do that. There might never be an age where it is okay for an individual to throw that many pitches.
There are also a lot of in game variables that are impossible to quantify. On an individual basis, not all pitches, innings, situations will lead to a quantifiable basis to say it's okay at "xxxx" time.
It should never happen in high school and I get sick when I see it In college. You won't see it in professional baseball but for a certain number of times a year, but even then it is largely questioned in regards to the long term health effects from that workload.
To answer your question I'd say never unless I'm getting an MLB World Series ring out of it for a player with some quantifiable future in the game past that date.
Since you asked, when do you think it's acceptable?
There are also a lot of in game variables that are impossible to quantify. On an individual basis, not all pitches, innings, situations will lead to a quantifiable basis to say it's okay at "xxxx" time.
It should never happen in high school and I get sick when I see it In college. You won't see it in professional baseball but for a certain number of times a year, but even then it is largely questioned in regards to the long term health effects from that workload.
To answer your question I'd say never unless I'm getting an MLB World Series ring out of it for a player with some quantifiable future in the game past that date.
Since you asked, when do you think it's acceptable?
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Posted on 4/8/17 at 8:11 am to TigerGrad2011
I think 125 is on the borderline of being acceptable... only the kid knows how he feels, and some are freaks capable of it... the Emerson Gibbs rule was made because he threw like 190. Nobody at any level anywhere throws 190 anymore.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 9:01 am to TigerGrad2011
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Since you asked, when do you think it's acceptable?
i dont think it is really at this age, was just curious about you comments though.
i dont really know the backstory of this game, the importance, etc. I do know that is their rival, and it went extra innings, and the kid seemed to be cruising. 125 is a lot of pitches, but it is on the low end of that threshold.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 11:29 am to Lester Earl
I think about 2 years ago, they had a Walker High pitcher throw over 180 pitches.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 12:38 pm to chalmetteowl
I don't believe in leaving it in the kids hands in the heat of the moment. What kid is going to want toncome out in a situation like that? That's why you are supposed to have responsible coaches who actually know what's in the best interest of the kid and make those tough calls and protect them. Adults have to be adults.
Posted on 4/8/17 at 2:05 pm to TigerGrad2011
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He is maybe 6' tall and from the coaches comments I would bet money this isn't an isolated incident. High pitch counts and short rest, see it all the time.
Had a kid like that at my HS. Tommy John before he graduated. Still ended up getting a scholly and starting for UNC though.
Just did a quick search, saw he had to get a bone spur shaved down in 2014, most likely from the previous Tommy John. So yeah, it's never ok.
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 3:17 pm to TigerGrad2011
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High school kid throwing 9 innings. Good job looking out for the kid coach. High School coaches in Louisiana are idiots.
7-5A district showdown into extra innings. News flash moron, kids want to win in high school...they couldn't give a frick less what LSU thinks or any major league bullshite.
Did you worry about LF having 30 carries in his district championship game?
Y'all are fricking DUMB. Try to pull me in high school with the championship on the line, and me and that coach are fighting, period
Posted on 4/8/17 at 8:16 pm to the LSUSaint
Hopefully this is satire. If not:
"7-5A district showdown into extra innings. News flash moron, kids want to win in high school...they couldn't give a frick less what LSU thinks or any major league bullshite."
7-5A showdown!!! My bad, I didn't know the monumental importance at first, but since its obviously a life changing game, then you are right.
Hey moron, nobody mentioned what LSU thinks or and "major league bullshite", just the health and well being of the kid.
"Did you worry about LF having 30 carries...."
Not relevant, different conversation. If you have something to add here in regards to arm health in pitchers, then feel free to add here as soon as you leave the pre prom party and take off your 1988 high school letter jacket.
"Y'all are fricking DUMB. Try to pull me in high school with the championship on the line and me and that coach are fighting, period"
Yep, you were either a kid with no future in the game or an idiot that should be protected by an adult. Whichever it is, you apparently coach at a local high school. Thanks for proving my point "moron".
"7-5A district showdown into extra innings. News flash moron, kids want to win in high school...they couldn't give a frick less what LSU thinks or any major league bullshite."
7-5A showdown!!! My bad, I didn't know the monumental importance at first, but since its obviously a life changing game, then you are right.
Hey moron, nobody mentioned what LSU thinks or and "major league bullshite", just the health and well being of the kid.
"Did you worry about LF having 30 carries...."
Not relevant, different conversation. If you have something to add here in regards to arm health in pitchers, then feel free to add here as soon as you leave the pre prom party and take off your 1988 high school letter jacket.
"Y'all are fricking DUMB. Try to pull me in high school with the championship on the line and me and that coach are fighting, period"
Yep, you were either a kid with no future in the game or an idiot that should be protected by an adult. Whichever it is, you apparently coach at a local high school. Thanks for proving my point "moron".
Posted on 4/8/17 at 8:58 pm to ProjectP2294
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I see the article is showing 125. That's unfortunate. He is a bigger bodied kid though, so maybe it doesn't affect him as much.
His elbow and shoulders are no different than yours or mine
This post was edited on 4/8/17 at 8:59 pm
Posted on 4/8/17 at 11:35 pm to TigerGrad2011
Prove it hurt his arm moron.
And yes, a kid in high school thinks about nothing more than winning the district they are in, then on to state. You have NO clue what went on other than some stupid pitch count
Yet, somehow, you think you take is more relevant than the obvious, kid wants to help his team win a title against a foe. He nutted up.
And yes, a kid in high school thinks about nothing more than winning the district they are in, then on to state. You have NO clue what went on other than some stupid pitch count
Yet, somehow, you think you take is more relevant than the obvious, kid wants to help his team win a title against a foe. He nutted up.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 6:47 am to the LSUSaint
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And yes, a kid in high school thinks about nothing more than winning the district they are in, then on to state
That's why an adult has to be there to make the right decision. Judging by your responses here, you're either a child or incapable of acting like an adult.
Posted on 4/9/17 at 8:24 am to the LSUSaint
You've shown your arse here and proved the point. I hope you win your district title coach.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 6:11 am to DEG
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I didn't downvote you, but there are a ton of variables that need to be considered before you criticize a coach, not the least of which is rest between starts. I'd find that out before hammering a coach.
Tons you say? Man go somewhere with that bullshite!
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:24 am to chalmetteowl
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only the kid knows how he feels
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:26 am to the LSUSaint
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Prove it hurt his arm moron.
It's called science
I have a physiology degree and trained collegiate athletes, including UF baseball
You're the fricking moron
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than some stupid pitch count
My god, you are a clueless fricking idiot.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 7:36 am
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:50 am to cas4t
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have a physiology degree and trained collegiate athletes, including UF baseball
bullshite you fricking liar, LOL. So, you were the waterboy. LOLOLOL. So tell us, in your ONE physiology class, what pitch count # did your "professor" tell you is too many for this kid in this game. fricking clown
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It's called science
So now YOU know his delivery, biomechanical stress, etc? Look, I understand the importance of guiding a kid, but a moron like yourself just deciding a random # makes the coach have bad judgement, is just stupid. Maybe it's 90% fastballs, which is less stress on different parts of the arm.
You know nothing in detail about this kid.....NOTHING!
Go play
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:52 am to the LSUSaint
Dude. You need to step away from this. You're getting way too worked up defending coaches that are doing something that's been proven to have detrimental effects on developing arms. And you're making yourself look like an idiot in the process.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 7:56 am to Lester Earl
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At what age is he ok to pitch 125 pitches?
GREAT point, there is no good age...and sadly at the HS level some of your best P's are also the SS, 3b, C, etc. These coaches have them throw one night, then two days later they are playing a pos in the field. Some didn't even get 2 days if the team is in a holiday/weekend tournament. Saw it here in N.C. and never understood the logic behind it.
You don't see MLB teams have their SP throw like that and IF they do it is very rare and might either be the post season or in pursuit of a no-hitter/perfect game.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 10:35 am to ProjectP2294
I'm NOT defending anyone! As a matter of fact, I am the only one here not jumping to conclusions. Is the kid hurt? Prove this guys point.
Show me proof that pitch count has reduced arm injuries in the last 20 years..in MLB, in college, in high school game. Actually, I bet they have increased! Can you show me that most injuries occur in the late innings?
But get you arse outta here for bashing a coach/player/parent that allowed a kid to pitch a complete game averaging less than 4 pitches per batter.
Again, prove major arm injuries are down over the last 20 years from high school up to MLB.
I totally agree in young kids being protected is an absolute necessity....but one game, a championship game, and a young man goes to 120 pitches.....And now his coach is ruining his future?
Get a grip!
Show me proof that pitch count has reduced arm injuries in the last 20 years..in MLB, in college, in high school game. Actually, I bet they have increased! Can you show me that most injuries occur in the late innings?
But get you arse outta here for bashing a coach/player/parent that allowed a kid to pitch a complete game averaging less than 4 pitches per batter.
Again, prove major arm injuries are down over the last 20 years from high school up to MLB.
I totally agree in young kids being protected is an absolute necessity....but one game, a championship game, and a young man goes to 120 pitches.....And now his coach is ruining his future?
Get a grip!
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