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re: Kenny young crystal ball?
Posted on 1/18/14 at 5:06 pm to Hoyas
Posted on 1/18/14 at 5:06 pm to Hoyas
quote:It doesn't get any earlier than the opening kickoff of the season and he's seen his ex teammate, Duke Riley out there from day 1. KY is considered a better prospect than Riley, so he'll get his shot.
My feeling is early playing time is playing heavy on his mind too
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Posted on 1/18/14 at 5:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
While that is true would you have more confidence if you went to a school that had put 6 lbs in the league over the last 3 years or a team that has put one lb in the league over the last 3? (These are made up numbers by the way just making an example)
Yes, if you have the talent you will be drafted no matter what but it's much easier to get into the league if you are with a team that constantly puts people there
Yes, if you have the talent you will be drafted no matter what but it's much easier to get into the league if you are with a team that constantly puts people there
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 1/18/14 at 5:57 pm to TigerBite
TigerBite-DG is very very tight with KY. they pretty much talk at least 3-4 times a week. As far as having an influence on MM at the AA game, all i can say is he was definitely in his ear the whole time.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:04 pm to Dr. Shultz
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While that is true would you have more confidence if you went to a school that had put 6 lbs in the league over the last 3 years or a team that has put one lb in the league over the last 3?
It wouldn't factor in my decision at all. Your chances of getting to the league depend on your talent and work ethic. Your chances are the same at any D1 school really, but especially any high profile BCS conference team. LSU has been better than A&M or UCLA over the last decade or so, but everyone knows who all 3 are, so the players will get noticed regardless.
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but it's much easier to get into the league if you are with a team that constantly puts people there
Its understandable why you and most people think that, but its not really true. The NFL draft is not a random draw. Teams like LSU put more guys in the league because they have recruited more good players over time. Just because more of your team mates or former players at your school are drafted has no bearing on your NFL prospects.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Teams like LSU put more guys in the league because they have recruited more good players over time.
Developing players is a huge part of it. Chavis has developed 10 LB's that are currently in the NFL. Not many other coaches/schools can claim that. Definitely not UCLA or A&M
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:29 pm to whodidthat
quote:LSU is great at this look at 3* Morris Claiborne
Developing players is a huge part of it
3 or 4* TM7, depending on which service you use
Mingo who only played 2 years of football prior to college.
3* Bennie Logan
3* lamin barrow
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:35 pm to whodidthat
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Developing players is a huge part of it. Chavis has developed 10 LB's that are currently in the NFL.
That's because he recruited good players. Go look at where the 10 you are referring to were rated as recruits. I bet you find they were most 4-5 * guys, 3* at the lowest. Coaching is import and the Chavis is a good coach, but he's also been at teams with lots of talent.
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Not many other coaches/schools can claim that. Definitely not UCLA or A&
The current coaches at both schools have only been there for 2 years. How many players those schools but in the league over the last decade with different staffs is irrelevant and says nothing about the "developing" ability of their current staffs. UCLA's DC was just hired by an NFL team so I'm going to go ahead and assume he can coach. Good chance his replacement can as well.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:41 pm to Smokedawg
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LSU is great at this look at 3* Morris Claiborne
3 or 4* TM7, depending on which service you use
Mingo who only played 2 years of football prior to college.
3* Bennie Logan
3* lamin barrow
not to belittle coaching, but 3*'s are pretty good players, often times they just have more questions or weren't as visible as higher ranked guys, In a case like Mathieu he was undersized. Coaching and "development" helps, but natural talent is still the most important thing. But jsut because LSU's staff has been really good at "developing" doesn't mean other teams don't also have coaches that can develop. Mora Jr has coached in the NFL, he knows how to "develop" players.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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bet you find they were most 4-5 * guys, 3* at the lowest.
You proud of this statement? Pretty broad range.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 6:56 pm to OceanMan
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You proud of this statement?
what does that mean
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Pretty broad range
not really, my point is that Chavis sends a lot guys to the league because he recruits good players. 4 and 5 star's are elite HS recruits and 3*s are pretty damn good.
If you gave Chavis the talent that's been at say Tulane the last several years and he just coached them he would not have 10 LB's in the league, I promise you. Now, those guys might be better, but he would not have guys in the NFL that are not there now.
Do you think it is just coaching and not better talent that turned LSU around from where we were in the 90's? Is it just a coincidence that our recruiting classes have consistently been in the top 10 and weren't before?
Anyway, its not a zero sum game, so just because LSU's current coaches are "better" or have longer track records doesn't mean other staffs at other schools can't also develop players into the NFL just because previous staffs at those schools did not. Fans are just saying that to convince themselves that a player opting for UCLA or A&M over LSU is making a mistake.
This post was edited on 1/18/14 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:02 pm to H-Town Tiger
Obviously LSU only recruits good players. Therefore if they were trying to pitch LSU to a kid, we could assume that was kid was good. Correct? You thinking LSUs ability to put people in the league isn't relevant is really odd.
For example. Let's say over the last 5 years LSU has sent every single dlineman that has either started their last year or played significant snaps to the league and they were all drafted.
Do you not think any kid could look at that and be like "wow if I could just start for LSU or play a decent amount of snaps I am guaranteed to be drafted into the NFL"? Do you not see how convincing and persuasive that would be to a recruit?
For example. Let's say over the last 5 years LSU has sent every single dlineman that has either started their last year or played significant snaps to the league and they were all drafted.
Do you not think any kid could look at that and be like "wow if I could just start for LSU or play a decent amount of snaps I am guaranteed to be drafted into the NFL"? Do you not see how convincing and persuasive that would be to a recruit?
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:33 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I bet you find they were most 4-5 * guys, 3* at the lowest.
Since Rivals rankings came along....
2013
- Kevin Minter - 4 Star - 17 ranked LB - 2nd Round Draft
2011
- Kelvin Shepard - 3 Star - 36 ranked LB - 3rd Round Draft
2010
- Perry Riley - 3 Star - 27 ranked LB - 4th Round Draft
- Jacob Cutrera - 3 Star - 17 ranked LB - Free Agent
2008
- Jerod Mayo - 4 Star - 11 ranked LB - 1st Round Draft
2007
- Marvin Mitchell - 3 Star - 56 ranked LB - 7th Round Draft
2006
- Omar Gaither - 4 Star - 10 ranked LB - 5th Round Draft
2005
- Kevin Burnett - 3 Star - 12 ranked LB - 2nd Round Draft
Good players, but mostly 3 stars and only 1 player ranked in the top 10 at his position coming out of high school.
I'd say he definitely coached some of these guys up or he was a much better talent evaluator than the recruiting services.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:43 pm to clhstrojans
Posted on 1/18/14 at 7:47 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Anyway, its not a zero sum game, so just because LSU's current coaches are "better" or have longer track records doesn't mean other staffs at other schools can't also develop players into the NFL just because previous staffs at those schools did not. Fans are just saying that to convince themselves that a player opting for UCLA or A&M over LSU is making a mistake.
You are certainly taking the argument to its logical extreme.
LSU puts lot of players into the league, and that has nothing to do with LSU. That is your argument.
I think, regardless of what part coaches play in the process of molding that player into draftable material, why take a chance if you're a player?? You have the data right there in front of you. Chavis, for whatever reason, puts lots of LB's into the NFL. If the odds significanly increase under Chavis or with LSU, even if it has nothing to do with coaching, why not take those odds?
And even if we assume you're right, wouldn't it be logical to assume that NFL GM's and scouts would have their eye more closely on those schools who regularly churn out NFL draft picks? I mean, if I'm from Alcorn I could play at Alcorn State and be close to home, sure, but it might not be the best PR move.
Might Chavis' scheme showcase linebackers better than others? I don't know, but again, I'm going with the odds if I'm a recruit.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 8:02 pm to TeamLSU
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DG is very very tight with KY. they pretty much talk at least 3-4 times a week. As far as having an influence on MM at the AA game, all i can say is he was definitely in his ear the whole time.
Thanks TeamLSU! Let's hope DG can sway both.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 9:14 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Just because more of your team mates or former players at your school are drafted has no bearing on your NFL prospects.
Wrong! Do you think that computers decide who to draft? People do and they ARE biased towards teams even though they surely try to not be biased.
A sort of different example that is somewhat unique is honey badger. A former lsu player (PP) is the reason TM got what he got at the Cardinals.
Posted on 1/18/14 at 11:31 pm to evan_aggie
quote:Sweet! Because starting true freshman at LB in the SEC West is a recipe for success!
We probably have a starting spot for you!
Posted on 1/18/14 at 11:32 pm to evan_aggie
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evan_aggie
Posted on 1/18/14 at 11:37 pm to RATeamWannabe
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Sweet! Because starting true freshman at LB in the SEC West is a recipe for success!
Heh...true...very true.
Posted on 1/19/14 at 5:55 am to Smokedawg
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Developing players is a huge part of it
A BIG part of developing players is who they are around. If they are around top-notch talent, they are pushed to a higher degree and have to become better just to see the field. Competition makes everyone a little better IMO...
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