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re: Keeping In State Talent
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:04 pm to Keys Open Doors
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:04 pm to Keys Open Doors
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That's why I've said many times that LSU is the easiest job in the country for a coach to be successful at.
i disagree. la is simply too small population wise to produce 25 top div one players every year. yes, LSU is one of the easiest states to secure about half of each years class in but not THE easiest. texas, florida and california may have a lot of schools recruiting them and several big time schools in each state they have a hell of a lot more quality athletes also. texas, esp is easier (using your guidelines) because they have only 2 real big brands with tu and aggy. it is possible for each of these schools to sign 25 4 and 5 stars every year all from the state of texas whereas it is not at LSU.
also, there is not a college in america where it is easy for a coach to be successful at. it's a tough damn job and that's a big reason the pay is so high.
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Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:06 pm to LSU GrandDad
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texas has almost 30 million residents (legals); la and bama have about 4 and 1/2 million. so texas' top 20 is and should be stronger than ours top to bottom. the top top players are probably equivalent but their #50 may be as good as our #15.
This! A top 20 player in LA may not even be a top 50 player in TX or FL. The problem is the perception that it is most important to keep the top players in the state. The reality is that it is more important to get the best 25 players possible regardless of what state they are from.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:06 pm to LSU GrandDad
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i disagree. la is simply too small population wise to produce 25 top div one players every year.
Yeah this is just false. Weve done that for a long long time. They might not be studs at the D1 level. But for as long as I can remember, we consistently have sent out 20+ D1 players.
Even in down years. We will have 15 or so guys sign to a major D1 school (Big 6 conference), and 10 more or so go to other D1 schools that arent as big.
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:19 pm to KG5989
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Yeah this is just false. Weve done that for a long long time.
yea? just when has LSU competed for the SEC and NC's signing louisiana only talent. NEVER is the correct answer to that. cholly mac is the only coach to even try it (his ooc guys almost exclusively were left overs from other states; charles alexander excepted). and he didn't win any natties either.
i think you have rose colored glassed on. louisiana, in MOST YEARS, produces, per capita more 4 and 5 star guys than most states the number does not total 25. and neither does the position allocation. LSU has to go out of state to compete for titles. we still keep a higher percentage of our in state talent but you just can't keep it all.
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:20 pm to ipodking
Posted on 2/6/14 at 5:25 pm to LSU GrandDad
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just when has LSU competed for the SEC and NC's signing louisiana only talent. NEVER is the correct answer to that
When was the last time we only got LA based players? Never. When has any school competed for conference championship or NC with only guys from their own or just 1 state? Never. That has never happened.
And all i was disagreeing with was that you said we dont produce 25 D1 players every year. When in fact we do. Do we offer or take all of them? No. But every year we pretty much put out at least 20 D1 prospects.
Even in down years. We will have 15 or so guys sign to a major D1 school (Big 6 conference), and 10 more or so go to other D1 schools that arent as big.
We might not offer or take all the D1 prospects in LA because we have the ability to go out of state and get better prospects than the smaller ones that are in state. But we consistently put out about 25 D1 prospects every year.
And its not like only 4* or 5* guys are D1 prospect or commits either
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 6:02 pm to KG5989
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When has any school competed for conference championship or NC with only guys from their own or just 1 state? Never. That has never happened.
Well no team in history has ever had players from ONLY that state. I can tell you that when Howard Schnellenberger went to Miami, his goal was to build a fence around South Florida - specifically, Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties. Very few resources were allocated to go outside the state. If an OOS kid was highly ranked and showed strong interest, UM would recruit him. Those were few and far between. Fortunately for Schnellenberger, that included a few decent QB's by the name of Kelly, Kosar and Testaverde. The best local QB was a guy named Richt. He didn't stand a chance.
From Wikpedia:
Schnellenberger revolutionized recruiting South Florida high school talent by building a metaphorical "fence around Miami" and recruiting only the "State of South Florida." His eye for talent in this area led to many programs around the nation paying greater attention to south Florida high school prospects. Under his "State of Miami" plan, Schnellenberger's teams took the best from the three-county area around the city, went after the state's best, then aimed at targets among the nation's elite recruits; it became a model of how to recruit in college football
This post was edited on 2/6/14 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 2/6/14 at 7:14 pm to LSU82BILL
Well yeah... you get the best prospects in your area. Every team attempts to do that. Thats a given.
Not really sure what your post is about or how it is relevant to anything else. Schnellenberger was at Miami in the late 70s and early 80s. During that time, very few schools had the resources and ability to recruit nationally.
Recruiting back then was nothing like it is today. It was on a smaller scale, mostly local kids in the area and state. Now a days, recruiting is a national scale. Teams from every corner of the country go after the same kids.
Not really sure what your post is about or how it is relevant to anything else. Schnellenberger was at Miami in the late 70s and early 80s. During that time, very few schools had the resources and ability to recruit nationally.
Recruiting back then was nothing like it is today. It was on a smaller scale, mostly local kids in the area and state. Now a days, recruiting is a national scale. Teams from every corner of the country go after the same kids.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 7:26 pm to Dudebro2
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That being said we definitely had problems with recruiting in-state and the fence that LSU had around the state has major holes in it and the issues need to be addressed and done so immediately.
Lets not try and sugar coat things, we had issue this year recruiting in-state and those issues need to be fixed so that this is not a recurring problem going forward.
LSU's coaches and staff could not have done any more to recruit the guys that left, except offer Sims. We recruited Speedy as hard as possible, our system isn't a good fit for him. aTm is more setup for him and he wanted to go out of state. We sold out on Willis, he wanted to go to Florida. We wanted Robinson and recruited him as hard as we could, he chose Bama.
People keep saying LSU needs to fix the problem, but in all honesty, I don't think Wilson or the rest of the staff could recruit these guys any harder. Hell we were recruiting most of these guys for 2+ years.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:09 pm to stho381
Crob got beat too much to be that highly rated!
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:41 pm to stho381
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Recruited him as hard as we could
Bama talked to him 3-4 times more than LSU. That's why Stud got the boot. There are more ways to talk to a kid than a rotary phone. Gotta catch up on the technology curve. When Cam committed, Stud had ZERO tweets. He had a profile, but had never sent a single tweet.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 8:45 pm to JJ27
i think it is FAIR to say we recruited willis and noil as hard as we could; maybe we could have done some things better. cam and hootie was a recruiting bust by LSU. plain and simple guys.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:30 pm to oldschoolgreats
Kids are going to leave in numbers from year to year, some kids just want to get away and others see a brighter future getting out the state, that can lead to better job opportunities and establishing a better living for there family of the next generation.
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:50 pm to ipodking
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7 players from Louisiana with LSU offers decided to leave the state this year. Hopefully we don't see a number that high again anytime soon.
How can this be explained? Luck? Recruiting is an inexact science to be sure, but I remember the gnashing of teeth that occurred over Joe McKnight. How'd he turn out in college?
Posted on 2/7/14 at 9:51 pm to AdamDeMamp
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What a great combination of high talented kids with great character.
Check back over the next 2-4 years.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 10:45 am to KG5989
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Not really sure what your post is about or how it is relevant to anything else. Schnellenberger was at Miami in the late 70s and early 80s. During that time, very few schools had the resources and ability to recruit nationally.
Recruiting back then was nothing like it is today. It was on a smaller scale, mostly local kids in the area and state.
The point is, in the 70's the best players in South Florida were either going to UF (Lomas Brown, James Jones, John L. Williams) and FSU (Bobby Butler, Jesse Hester) - or they were leaving the state Rickey Jackson (Pitt), Marty Lyons, Barry Krauss (Bama), Anthony Carter (Michigan), William Roberts (Ohio State) because the Miami program sucked. Of the greatest 100 HS players in the history of Florida, you won't find one player that came out of South Florida between 1975 - 1982 that went to Miami. That's an 8 year period in the most talent rich part of the state. Miami wasn't trying to "get the best prospects in their area". They were focused on getting kids from the Northeast and Midwest that wanted to come to "Sunshine U" and play with 2nd tier South Florida players. The best of South Florida went off to the Big 8, Big 10 or the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:48 am to LSU82BILL
I'm a bit unhappy that we only got 2 of 5 of the top 5. This should have been the monster class of all time.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:53 am to BTRDD
If LSU continues to miss on in-state talent, but lands top blue chip talent instead, then what?
What happens then?
What is everyone that's complaining about missing on in-state guys expecting to happen if it continues to lose out on them?
What happens then?
What is everyone that's complaining about missing on in-state guys expecting to happen if it continues to lose out on them?
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:01 pm to LSUisBetterthanU
In the end, it didn't matter because we scored big out of state to replace anyone we lost in state. Losing CRob was big because we didn't get an OT this year, but that problem will be rectified next year. Hootie and GW came off as flaky. One changes his mind, and then another who seems to be going to LSU get's talked out of it by his brother...really? Tony Brown was the big one we lost, who I figured for an LSU lock, but he was from Beaumont anyway. However, having already a police issue and recurrent should dislocation issue, he is going to have problems. A. Jackson would have been icing on the cake, but again, an out of state player. This is a great class- in state talent & out of state. And for those so worried about Bama, well, they had more out of state recruits than in-state, so just goes to show, it was that kind of year.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 12:31 pm to ipodking
positiveism is our best friend negative is our worst enemy LSU fans need to learn that it is their job to help build not tear down LSU !
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