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re: How do you replace Craig?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:14 am to the_watcher
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:14 am to the_watcher
No that is true and puzzling for me at least. I would love to know the inside story on that one. We also lose our AL connection we were trying to build as well.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:17 am to ProjectP2294
Most of those names are underwhelming imo. Gotta fill NOLA need, RC need, NELA need and that's just the recruiting standpoint - nothing to do with coaching.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:17 am to AnotherRound
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but losing an ace recruiter at position of RC is important.
He proved to be a lazy recruiter. You act like having a role equals being effective at the role. Experience=/= success. Thats that "well he/she has been in politics for a long time...so thats good." mentality.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:18 am to AnotherRound
I ask again - how do you replace him? Who do you replace him with.
You get a coach that is great on teaching technique and fundamentals and has put receivers in the NFL and is great at evaluating talent, then you sign him up. There are coaches out there that meet those criteria. If he does a good job, the recruiting will follow.
You get a coach that is great on teaching technique and fundamentals and has put receivers in the NFL and is great at evaluating talent, then you sign him up. There are coaches out there that meet those criteria. If he does a good job, the recruiting will follow.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:19 am to LSUGoo
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"subject matter expert"
Damn you and your corporate America nomenclature
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:25 am to Hester Carries
I just can't put the failures all on him - I just don't know that to be true and not sure anyone here really does. It also flies in the face of this other recruiting successes at other places. I can't believe he was lazy there too.
I'm not pretending he is more than he is - he has a track record of being a great recruiter.
It not about DC, its about what you lose for LSU in the process of DC exiting. I think needing a good recruiter and a RC are not easy things to get.
Maybe they could have shuffled the deck a bit. Keep DC, replace the RC with another coach - most likely incoming because the few top candidates on staff don't want it. I would focus on RB coach/ RC on the same hire due to the odds of success - higher than others. Also with O and AT on staff, can't see why they can't help/ tutor the RC if he was lacking in some organizational capacity.
Again - I just don't really get the move.
I'm not pretending he is more than he is - he has a track record of being a great recruiter.
It not about DC, its about what you lose for LSU in the process of DC exiting. I think needing a good recruiter and a RC are not easy things to get.
Maybe they could have shuffled the deck a bit. Keep DC, replace the RC with another coach - most likely incoming because the few top candidates on staff don't want it. I would focus on RB coach/ RC on the same hire due to the odds of success - higher than others. Also with O and AT on staff, can't see why they can't help/ tutor the RC if he was lacking in some organizational capacity.
Again - I just don't really get the move.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:33 am to AnotherRound
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While obvious and true, I think this will be harder than it seems.
Chill out man.. I mean you're acting like we are losing a guy that was a home run recruiter/position coach, when he was average at best. There are plenty of other good WR coaches that will be licking their chops to come to LSU with the talent we have.
We will be just fine. This isn't something to freak out about.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:53 am to TigersFan2087
Maybe its just me, but this "lazy" criticism of Craig is new and it does not fit his reputation. I have not seen this said about him outside this thread and don't know of any facts that support this conclusion.
can anybody help me with this ?
can anybody help me with this ?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 11:58 am to nitwit
I think people are overstepping a bit.. However, he did miss on some guys (anyone will), but he was only here for one year -- we aren't losing much. We are going to be fine just losing a position coach. They'll fill the position with someone equal or better than Craig.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:03 pm to TigersFan2087
It sounds like we are going to get some really good news tomorrow.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:55 pm to AnotherRound
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Yes his on the field coaching might have been lacking, but losing an ace recruiter at position of RC is important. I ask again - how do you replace him? Who do you replace him with
you have a valid point and our recruiting could suffer a little, esp in south Alabama. replace him with a very good coach and a fair to good recruiter and you should still be in am improved position. Louisiana has always produced and excess of top receiver talent and we should get our share. the position of WR is very technical and a position where skills are every bit as important (or more so) as speed. you have to admit our receivers underperformed this year. we need a real teacher at that position. hell man, our QB's need as much help as they can get.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 12:59 pm to AnotherRound
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Again - I just don't really get the move.
We are about to get a major upgrade in recruiting ability at RB coach, and a major upgrade in teaching ability at WR coach.
Just let it play out.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:13 pm to ehidal1
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Can Thomas be titled as 'recruiting coordinator' to allow himself to recruit, even if not an on the field coach?
I don't know the rules, but I don't see why Austin Thomas couldn't be the recruiting coordinator-- even if he wasn't allowed to recruit. Recruiting coordinator is more like being a sales manager than a sales rep. The role itself is about gathering intel on quality prospects, assigning territories and responsibilities, coordinating efforts to maintain contact with prospects via letters, email/text/calls/social media, organizing the board of priorities for who should get offers, coordinating times when coaches can visit recruits and when recruits can visit LSU, and so on.
A good recruiting coordinator doesn't even have to be a good recruiter. They just take the burden of the administrative and planning/coordinating efforts off the shoulders of the coaches, so everyone on staff is on the same page and the other coaches can do the real sales/recruiting work and coach their positions. And I think sometimes earning that title can be a way that the head coach rewards good assistant coaches with greater responsibility (read: promotion and raise) to keep them from moving on... not entirely dissimilar to assistants getting associate head coach type titles.
As I was reading this thread, I was curious when Thomas' name would come up. It was my understanding (from this board... I'm as far as can be from an insider) that Thomas was Frank Wilson's right hand man and helped Wilson a ton with regards to his recruiting coordinator duties. If true, he likely already has a good idea of how to run that facet of the program.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:30 pm to jcole4lsu
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Just let it play out
Just type the names, initials, or current (former) place of employment.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:31 pm to epbart
I agree with you.
The recruiting coordinator is someone who should be keeping up with which recruits have been contacted by which recruiters and when. He should have record of concerns and impressions about each recruit and have a strategy for dealing with that. These are administrative duties, not recruiting activities.
For example a good recruiting coordinator should have known if Mathis had been contacted by Jenkins, his position coach. if not, an action plan for someone should have followed. A recruiting coordinator should have had contact with and a solid contingency plan for Travis Etienne in the event Cam Akers went elsewhere. There are other examples. A good RC is not necessarily a recruiter, IMO.
The recruiting coordinator is someone who should be keeping up with which recruits have been contacted by which recruiters and when. He should have record of concerns and impressions about each recruit and have a strategy for dealing with that. These are administrative duties, not recruiting activities.
For example a good recruiting coordinator should have known if Mathis had been contacted by Jenkins, his position coach. if not, an action plan for someone should have followed. A recruiting coordinator should have had contact with and a solid contingency plan for Travis Etienne in the event Cam Akers went elsewhere. There are other examples. A good RC is not necessarily a recruiter, IMO.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:47 pm to LSU GrandDad
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the position of WR is very technical and a position where skills are every bit as important (or more so) as speed. you have to admit our receivers underperformed this year.
Before I even got to this point in your post, I was thinking something along the lines of what you wrote.
WR position can be very technical and if we raise the bar here it can assist the QB play, and so on. We have to be able to throw the ball to win in today's football, at the level we and LSU expect. You make a good point about that coaching spot not being too big of a recruiter and more need as a teacher.
I for one can definitely understand the benefits on the field for a good WR play.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:55 pm to AnotherRound
As RC how do you not know that the top receiver from JUCO and a committ does not have the grades and you supposedly find out on NSD. Also thought we had a real good shot at Smith from Amite and he seemed to change over the weekend. Agree he was an asset but somethinng had to happen for him to be let go just that fast.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:01 pm to kwtiger70
What's Josh Reed doing these days??
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:01 pm to jcole4lsu
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Just let it spill out onto your keyboard.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:01 pm to AnotherRound
Great question, I find when you go against the grain on subjects you meet resistance from a lot of opinionated folks with little knowledge on the subject because they are emotional. You just posted a simple question and we get many different opinions of Craigs abilities and failures. These same folks were pretty hyped when he was hired. To answer your question This new hire has to be a home run in my opinion with ties to LA, and that can develop our young very inexperienced receiver group. The ex Saint Aug coach at Memphis would get a call you continue your list from there and interview and pick the best coach.
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