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85 man limit
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:24 pm
By what point do we have to limit schollies to 85? Can we stock up during all this chaos then cut folks after spring ball?
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:30 pm to Tjcajun
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Moving forward, FBS programs now simply must be at or below 85 scholarship players by the opening of training camp. If coaches want to bring in 85 new players from season to season, the NCAA rule book won't stop them.
FootballScoop
Posted on 1/12/24 at 7:51 pm to Tjcajun
This is big leagues. Coaches job is to find players to replace existing ones. Players job is to make it impossible!
Get who we can and process the weakest.
In the wild, sometimes a mother eats her own!
Get who we can and process the weakest.
In the wild, sometimes a mother eats her own!
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 8:08 am
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:13 pm to Salty Spec
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Coaches job is to fine players
I don’t think we going to get players if we are just going to fine them
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:26 pm to Tjcajun
I think we still need to cut 3 or so, plus cut one for everyone we sign/transfer in the next few months. Unfortunately I think several more kids get processed after spring, but thats the nature of CFB now.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:41 pm to Reeaholic
I don’t think that means what it sounds like. I’m fairly certain you can’t have more than 85 players on scholarship at any point, but since the initial counter limit is now obsolete you could in theory have 85 players in the Spring and a completely different 85 in the Fall.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 8:57 pm to Tjcajun
Just need to be at 85 by the time season kick off really. Expect a few more players to hit portal after spring game and spring portal window open because a few more will be brought in.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:27 pm to MOT
The deadline is fall camp. More than 85 in spring is fine.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 9:37 pm to Tjcajun
85 really doesn't matter anymore because you can lineup NIL deals for a certain player that you don't have a scholarship for that is much greater than the value of a scholarship.
Auburn just got a preferred walk-on kicker that they already had NIL deals lined up for and the deals were worth much more than any scholarship.
Auburn just got a preferred walk-on kicker that they already had NIL deals lined up for and the deals were worth much more than any scholarship.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:01 pm to bayou85
quote:So your interpretation is that you could have 237 players on scholarship in the Spring and it’s fine as long as it’s trimmed to 85 by the Fall. I’m sorry, that’s not correct. Some of you are confusing scholarship limits with roster limits.
The deadline is fall camp. More than 85 in spring is fine.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:33 pm to bayou85
Incorrect. That tweet above is misleading. Active scholarship count can't be above 85 at any point. Shea and Embody have both confirmed that the 85 active roster rule is why numbers are so pressed right now. Kids are being asked to pay their own way initially. Why do that if the numbers don't matter until fall? The beauty of NiL is that it's more possible than ever. Just have to convince the kids to accept that route.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:53 am to SwampyWaters
You can’t do this with any player who was “recruited” which is why the 85 absolutely DOES matter. Some random walk on that says I’ll play for your team if you can get me an NIL deal lined up isn’t the same as convincing an actual recruit to do that. And even if they did, if they took visits etc they would count against the 85
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:17 am to lsugradman
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You can’t do this with any player who was “recruited” which is why the 85 absolutely DOES matter. Some random walk on that says I’ll play for your team if you can get me an NIL deal lined up isn’t the same as convincing an actual recruit to do that. And even if they did, if they took visits etc they would count against the 85
I think you might be mistaken about this. The rule you are referencing applies to institutional financial aid (even if not athletics-related).
So if a recruited athlete is on an academic scholarship he still counts against the 85. NIL is not institutional aid, though. It’s not administered by the school. I don’t know how that rule can apply to NIL deals.
That said I do agree that there’s likely a limited pool of players willing to consider that type of arrangement.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:06 am to Tjcajun
Not sure why so many are concerned about the 85 limit. We'll get there when we need to. End of discussion...
Posted on 1/13/24 at 10:56 am to lsufanva
quote:
Incorrect. That tweet above is misleading. Active scholarship count can't be above 85 at any point.
Nooooo, you are incorrect. As the person quoted from the NCAA rules, the 85 limit applies at the beginning of the new football season...which is the start of fall practice. I have no idea what Shea and Embody said, but even if they said what you claimed, those were two of the last 2 people on earth I would trust with accurate info. They aren't even reliable on recruiting news...much less NCAA rules.
And the NCAA has covered the NIL/not on scholarship loophole. That has been stated here before also. Even the NCAA isn't that stupid. That would be the very first thing that would have been thought of. Oh, and BTW, the schools are prohibited from having ANY interaction with NIL.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 2:20 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:No, the person quoted a poor explanation from footballscoop and it isn’t correct. If you want to see the actual rule you can check article 15.5.6.1 in the ncaa manual. The last revision to the rule about the 85 limit was in 2006.
Nooooo, you are incorrect. As the person quoted from the NCAA rules, the 85 limit applies at the beginning of the new football season...
Posted on 1/13/24 at 2:41 pm to mpwilging
quote:
Not sure why so many are concerned about the 85 limit. We'll get there when we need to. End of discussion..
Not one person is concerned about getting to 85.
The OP asked if there are ways to keep the 85 scholarships and then have more guys that can come in to add depth and be paid without a scholarship.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 2:43 pm to MOT
Wow!!! Just Wow!!! So now Football Scoop is either incompetent or lying?
From the current NCAA manual: "15.5.6.2 Championship Subdivision Football. There shall be an annual limit of 63 on the value of financial aid awards (equivalencies) to counters and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters in football at each Football Championship Subdivision institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06, 10/4/23)"
Notice the word "annual"...that means checked once a year. And the checking point is at the beginning of football season which is when fall practice is initiated.
From the current NCAA manual: "15.5.6.2 Championship Subdivision Football. There shall be an annual limit of 63 on the value of financial aid awards (equivalencies) to counters and an annual limit of 85 on the total number of counters in football at each Football Championship Subdivision institution. (Revised: 1/10/91 effective 8/1/92, 12/15/06, 10/4/23)"
Notice the word "annual"...that means checked once a year. And the checking point is at the beginning of football season which is when fall practice is initiated.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 2:44 pm to MOT
Spring will sort everything out.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 2:48 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:This isn’t even the correct division.
From the current NCAA manual: "15.5.6.2 Championship Subdivision Football. T
quote:Nope
Notice the word "annual"...that means checked once a year.
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