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Runners...need help with leg pain

Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:06 pm
Posted by TXGunslinger10
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/5/17 at 10:06 pm
I'm relatively new to running. Did couch to 5K and in 5 months I'm consistently doing 30 minute runs 4x a week.

I just got some new running shoes and have run in them the past 3 weeks. I haven't been able to run the last week & a half due to crazy pain in my lower left leg. Right leg is fine. I thought it was a shin splint but I've rested it an it's not getting any better. It's intensified after long periods of inactivity, such as sleeping at night.

Anything I can do besides continuing to rest it?
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted by Rossberg02
Member since Jun 2016
2591 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:28 am to
Ice. Heat. Massage. Try your old shoes on for a while and see if it goes away. Walk barefoot. Do exercises for your feet.

There's tons of things without an exact diagnosis.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:20 am to
Where exactly is the pain? The lower leg and foot are extremely complicated and it's kind of crazy how everything is tied together.

I've been having issues all over the place in my right lower leg and foot. Went in for pain in the foot in November, and am now in physical therapy to fix an Achilles/lower calf issue (therapy is just to ensure I'm not hurting myself as I build mileage). Turns out one or two muscles is extremely tight in that ankle area and its causing all my issues. They've got me working on a bunch of stretches to get flexibility back in that ankle. Crazy how two seemingly unrelated things are caused by the same issue.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 7:42 am to
As someone else stated, barefoot running is the way to go. Once I started that I never had any problems again. I use vibrams to give a slight cushion to avoid rocks or something though.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31438 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:04 am to
Pinpoint the area, as someone else suggested, please.

eta: how are your electrolyte levels and hydration?

I def agree with the general advice so far. Heat probably doesn't really do anything to actually heal in your situation, but if it relieves some immediate pain, then it's fine. I find wet heat works well when my lower back acts up.

But ice and elevate as much as possible. These packs are the best: LINK


I totally agree with barefoot/zero drop running. it really makes you develop the right muscles for running.

Watch your posture (read up on proper running posture).

Related: decrease your stride length (these things are all part and parcel of barefoot running, btw).

Try heart rate training to control your pace/stride. Start with almost all your miles in the 70-80% max BPM zone (read up on all this).
(I got a Garmin Vivoactive HR watch that I've tested against hospital heart-rate monitors, and it's accurate--$169, one-day shipped factory refurb on Amazon.)

Good work on the couch to 5K!

I tore my meniscus (some combo of being old, not training properly for a half marathon and trying to run it too fast, then biking without recovery or training AND then my 75lb all-muscle dog ran right into my knee while chasing my other dog) two summers ago and through some really good PT and the steps above, I'm back at it. No surgery.

I hope to do the Missoula Half July 9, and i'm going to go for a personal slow record!








This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 8:17 am
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:02 am to
quote:

I totally agree with barefoot/zero drop running. it really makes you develop the right muscles for running.


Although I definitely still believe in lower drop running shoes, I think you need to be careful with it. Basically start from scratch again. Even if running 6 miles is nothing to you, I wouldn't run more than 2 miles at a time in 0 drop shoes for the first few weeks if you aren't used to them. I ultimately think that's what irritated my leg. Perfectly fine in one leg, but in the right leg, I tweaked something and it's been irritated since. Not super painful, but I think the 0 drop is making it harder to heal. Gonna go back up for a while to see if the heel support helps out. then going to ease back into 0 drop. 0 drop is much easier on my legs overall, but those lower leg muscles get put to work in ways they weren't before.



As you can see, the Peroneus brevis and Achilles (I have no real idea what I'm talking about other than having a doctor point out some items and then reading the names off this picture ) all kind of get a lot more tension in them when you lose that heel support. That's where all my pain has come from. from the outside edge of the foot all the way up to the calf/side of the leg.
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
31438 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:12 am to
my wife won't do barefoot/zero any more (she tried for a like a month years ago). But she got plantar fasciitis from regular running shoes.

My Altra zero drops actually fixed my shin splits and IT band issues (or at least my improved form did). I took the time to really get used to them with short slow runs.

i doubt my meniscus had anything to do with my shoes. It was not being fit for that distance, more than anything (and the dog).

I've been running on packed sand and trails mostly. That seems to help things from a shock standpoint.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:20 am to
quote:

I've been running on packed sand and trails mostly. That seems to help things from a shock standpoint


That's where I believe the benefit of lower drop comes into play and is beneficial. It's a little tougher on those lower leg muscles, but it's "smoother" and I find my larger leg muscles are much less tired. I put my old Brooks Ghost (12 mm drop) shoes on recently. I'm just on the elliptical for a little while. But I ran a few hundred yards to see what it felt like. It at least seems to be much more of an impact than when I run in my Altras.

I doubt a meniscus tear was from running. I would bet it probably helped more than hurt. I had a cousin who was having pains. Completely not active (no running or anything like that). Found out both of his meniscus were torn. No major trauma, just possibly some boat rides (again no specific incident) if I recall correctly. So I could see how a dog running into you might do it and likely have nothing to do with the activity you did before.
Posted by TXGunslinger10
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
17994 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:26 pm to
Thank you all for the responses. Sorry, I've been tied up at work.

The pain is (if you're looking down at your foot) on the left leg on the side of the leg, to the outside (left side) of the shin bone, at varying points from the upper calf down to the high ankle.

Sometimes, depending on movement in my foot, I sometimes feel slight pain on the inside (right side) of the shin bone but only around the high ankle.

My new shoes are the "On" Cloudflows. I love the shoe. It's been great so far. No discomfort while running until about 2 weeks ago.
Posted by PeepleHeppinBidness
Manchester United Fan
Member since Oct 2013
3553 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:57 am to
Is it on the muscle or the bone?

The fact that it seems to get worse after periods of inactivity makes me think it might be some sort of muscle strain or tendonitis. The pain might get worse when the muscle or tendon tightens up after inactivity. Should get better after a couple of weeks of rest.

If it's on the bone, could be a repetitive impact injury like a bone bruise/shin splint/stress fracture (on the more serious end). If it's normally a dull pain that gets really acute during a run to the point of having to stop, that might be an indicator of problems on the bone.

Disclaimer: not a doctor. just a guy who's run for a while.
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
8807 posts
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:35 pm to
Definitely be careful with lower leg. I ran through perpetual shin splints in high school while never fixing my issues. Now I have fascial tears (hernia) in both shins. I can still run well, sprint, etc, but I have to massage/stretch like crazy to avoid nerve pain.

Fwiw, most shin issues start with tight calves.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 6/8/17 at 1:25 pm to
If you are running in the street and favor one side, then you may need to try alternating to the other side or just run on a totally flat surface.

Roads have a slight pitch to them in order to keep water out of the street, and can cause issues in one leg since you are constantly compensating for the difference in height.
Posted by 318TigerFan
Member since Sep 2013
1693 posts
Posted on 6/10/17 at 8:55 am to
Try using a foam roller.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55219 posts
Posted on 6/12/17 at 1:10 pm to
nvm
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 1:12 pm
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