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100% ACL tear, questions.

Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:54 pm
Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10111 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 7:54 pm
Howdy all,

I posted in the running thread around Thanksgiving that I tweaked my knee running. MRI shows that I actually have a 100% ACL tear. My doctor is recommending 6-8 weeks of physical therapy before we discuss surgery options.

His reasoning sounds pretty solid: I can still walk and climb stairs fine. I am currently biking 10-15 miles per day with little issues. And rehabbing an ACL surgery isnt fun. He wants to see what I get from physical therapy and go from there.

My only concern is that it just hurts. I work a desk job and have constant numbing pain. I can and do bike daily, it hurts before, during, and after. If I take a few days off, it still hurts. Because it is a numbing pain, I vary what I do, its rarely sharp, but always constant. Also, I am not happy knowing that without surgery my running days are over.

For others here that have had the ACL surgery, what am I looking at? I know I could Google this, but Id like to hear from yall.

I will add, we thought that I tore my meniscus again. I tore this meniscus 5 years ago and had it stitched back, not snipped. MRI shows meniscus is still good.
This post was edited on 1/22/19 at 8:05 pm
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3128 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 9:31 pm to
How old are you? If you want to keep running I'd do it. With no ACL you're going to tear the meniscus again if you keep doing anything remotely athletic at all.

The exact situation happened to me. I tore the ACL many years ago (no meniscus) and the doc said I could do a short rehab and keep going without surgery (college athletics) or do the surgery. I probably wouldn't have kept a spot on the team if I did surgery, so I did the PT rehab. Made it through college with no issues. But literally as soon as I stopped training as much post-college, I re-injured the knee and that time blew out the ACL, meniscus, and patella.

Had first surgery almost 6 years ago now. It didn't work. I just had my second reconstruction about 5 months ago. Doc was better the second time, but it's incredible the difference in the recovery. The first week was pretty miserable but it got better in a hurry. You're probably looking at it impacting your day-to-day walking around for 6-ish weeks.

I'm back to jogging now. Strength is not quite even in both legs yet, but getting very close. I can just about do a single leg squat on my surgical knee which I couldn't even do pre-surgery.

If you're less than 40 I'd definitely say go for it. As I said, I'm on number 2 and only 5 months out I think I'd be willing to give it one more go if this one doesn't work. So it can't be all that bad haha.

Posted by LSUAlum2001
Stavro Mueller Beta
Member since Aug 2003
47128 posts
Posted on 1/22/19 at 10:47 pm to
I tore mine 100% and could do everything but cut sharply on my right leg. I had to wait 6 weeks for surgery because my Ortho was booked until then.

He did not schedule me 6-8 weeks of PT.

Question: Why PT for 6-8 weeks if he’s going to repair it?
Posted by Fe_Mike
Member since Jul 2015
3128 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 6:42 am to
My understanding is they want to build up the supporting muscles, especially the quad, pre-surgery to help with post-op recovery. Kind of give you a jump start, and fight some of the atrophy.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9758 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 6:58 am to
I run with a guy who has no ACL in one knee. He tore it in the 80’s. He’s run 1 full and quite a few half marathons with no issues. Now quick lateral movements he has to be more cautious with.
Posted by SulphursFinest
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2015
8733 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 7:08 am to
I worked at a PT clinic for two years and I would recommend going. I’ve come across too many people who never wanted to go and now they walk like they have a stick up their arse.
Posted by lsudav
Texas
Member since Nov 2005
745 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 8:16 am to
I had a daughter that had a 100% ACL tear 14 months ago. She was in shape but the surgeon still wanted her to complete 4 weeks of pre-hab at the PT prior to the surgery. Those muscles will go into atrophy quickly and the stronger they are the quicker the recovery is how it was described. They will have you walking immediately and in PT immediately after surgery but it is a lot of hard work. She came back stronger than before with the weight room work that was required to pass the "return to play" testing.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
47128 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 10:12 am to
My legs are stronger than before I tore my ACL.

It had nothing to do with any PT work prior to the surgery and everything to do with me being diligent with my PT and strength training after the surgery.

Most orthos just want swelling to subside before going in, and my thoughts on trying to do PT with a torn ACL (and potential meniscus) would only cause swelling to continue for a longer period.
This post was edited on 1/23/19 at 10:15 am
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7633 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 1:23 pm to
You'll be fine without it I can do everything I could with it with the exception of lateral cutting while running. If you plan on doing anything that requires that movement basketball for example you can get a really good brace to help. The braces are pricey but worth it.

I currently powerlift without an ACL, jog occsionally, bike, play with the dog in the yard, etc. I haven't had the slightest bit of problem with it in the last 20 years since I tore it.
Posted by TideSaint
Hill Country
Member since Sep 2008
75853 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 1:38 pm to
I tore mine back in 2001 playing soccer.

I never had it fixed.

I joined the Air Force in 2006.

I run a 5k three times a week with zero issues.

Posted by Ice Cream Sammich
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
10111 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 6:51 pm to
Thanks all for the replies. I figured this thread would be very one sided, not split like it is. I am 30 years old and on one hand figure that if I can just change what I do, I would be happy. On the other, I do not like having to settle and not do things that I enjoy at my age.

I do not beleive that physical therapy is overly effective, but I told myself that I would give it a chance this go around. My first session is Tuesday. I will listen to the PT and ultimately listen to my doctor.

TideSaint, not calling BS. Did you disclose your injury to the Navy? I thought that an ACL level injury was an auto disqualifier?
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6181 posts
Posted on 1/23/19 at 7:21 pm to
First, doing PT prior to surgery usually does help people get through the first month or two after surgery quicker. Now everybody reacts to surgery different, but having good motion, good quad activation, and glut/hamstring strength definitely helps, but be ready to kill your rehab after surgery which is gonna take a while.

Surgeons want some swelling to go down before surgery anyway, hence why they will usually wait 1-2 weeks after the injury anyway to do surgery. I still think 6-8 weeks of PT might be a bit much, unless he thinks you’re really out of shape (which doesn’t sound like it) or your range of motion sucks.

Some people can get by without a surgery,l. These people just called “copers” naturally have better overall neuromuscular compensation and dynamic control of their hamstrings to help make up for what the ACL does, but usually you can tell pretty quick who isn’t a true coper and who will need surgery, so if you’re still having pain with basic stuff, you’re probably better off getting surgery.

Like someone already said, without an ACL, you will wear out your menisci faster and that will give you more trouble later on down the road.
Posted by mtcheral
BR
Member since Oct 2008
1936 posts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 12:51 pm to
If the PT is done correctly before surgery it will help decrease swelling and inflammation and increase muscle tone and strength, rather than increase swelling longer. Doctors do that because they have seen that it helps.
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