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re: Rory to LIV?
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:37 pm to SoDakHawk
Posted on 4/16/24 at 12:37 pm to SoDakHawk
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I don't understand those that cheer for the destruction of the PGA Tour and the takeover of golf by the Saudis. You say Jay handled this horribly, probably true, but everything was fine until the Saudis created this beast and unleashed billions of dollars to take over golf. The PGAT put up a fight for their existence, and you blame them for it.
Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest. The PGA tour was just fine with everyone involved until the Saudis decided to pay way over market value. Any American that roots for LIV either hates golf, loves the drama or both.
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Posted on 4/16/24 at 5:00 pm to RedHawk
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Any American that roots for LIV either hates golf, loves the drama or both.
For me, I love the drama. Not going to deny that. The PGAT has always had this smug, country club feel that overpowered other tours and monopolized the golf landscape in the past to feed the best players into playing their tournaments located in the states. The European golfers are now realizing this (along with the insane contracts being thrown around by PIF) and probably feel galvanized as a result to lead this counter movement against the PGAT. Plus, no one gives a shite about the Rocket Mortgage Open in Detroit. Especially if you’re from Spain, Australia or the Nordic countries. The idea that golf would be “unified” by playing the John Deere Classic and other meaningless PGAT events is bullshite. I think it would legitimately grow the game to invest heavily into an international tour that rivals the PGAT. If that’s LIV, so be it. But they should seriously consider buying out and establishing an alliance with DPWT to at least allow the members of LIV to play their way into the majors with OWGR points.
Plus, LIV is entertaining to me. It’s good golf with great golfers. Cam Smith is my favorite player in the world. I don’t care what tour he plays and if he does/doesn’t wear shorts. Does there need to be tweaks to the format? Absolutely. But the format is refreshing and produces a proper golf broadcast.
LIV Adelaide is going to be epic in size and scale. A lot of you on here will downplay what will be an incredible tournament and atmosphere
Posted on 4/16/24 at 7:54 pm to OKtiger
nevermind
This post was edited on 4/16/24 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 4/16/24 at 8:01 pm to OKtiger
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produces a proper golf broadcast.
Your argument fell apart with this statement. Total amateur hour with those announcers.
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:25 pm to OKtiger
I’ll start by saying I’m going to the LIV event in Houston in June.
But I couldn’t give a shite about any of their tournaments. Zero tradition, a bunch of golf is played outside of the USA. I care about one a tournament a year played outside of the USA.
It seems like the events are like preseason games/Allstar games (No cut events). I don’t watch those either.
Like I said though I’m going in June and maybe I’ll change my mind so we shall see.
But I couldn’t give a shite about any of their tournaments. Zero tradition, a bunch of golf is played outside of the USA. I care about one a tournament a year played outside of the USA.
It seems like the events are like preseason games/Allstar games (No cut events). I don’t watch those either.
Like I said though I’m going in June and maybe I’ll change my mind so we shall see.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:35 am to OKtiger
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The PGAT has always had this smug, country club feel that overpowered other tours and monopolized the golf landscape in the past to feed the best players into playing their tournaments located in the states.
I feel the PGA has tried this “world tour” before and it just didn’t work from a financial standpoint. LIV doesn’t have to worry about being profitable, the PGA Tour does.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 10:42 am to BogeyTX
Seems like LIV might be fun to go to, but I can't keep my focus on the broadcast.
Part of the struggle I have is that there is a history with all of the PGA courses they play. Generally you know how a course is going to play, you know the layout from years past, and how certain players play the course. I don't particularly care to go down that road with LIV. Golf isn't a team sport and the loud music laid back atmosphere doesn't do it for me.
It's most comparable to Tennis. If Tennis had loud crowds and music blaring, it wouldn't appeal to me. I want to see guys focused on their sport, and the distractions in LIV seem like it tames down the discipline and focus.
On the fan side of things, I'll keep saying that it sucks as a fan to not have all the top players able to play each other routinely. The PGA is IMO largely to blame for what has happened. They have mismanaged the LIV competition at every step of the way. Monahan is an absolute backstabbing greedy idiot and he solely deserves the PGA to implode, but I hate that the PGA is the one who struggles through this.
Part of the struggle I have is that there is a history with all of the PGA courses they play. Generally you know how a course is going to play, you know the layout from years past, and how certain players play the course. I don't particularly care to go down that road with LIV. Golf isn't a team sport and the loud music laid back atmosphere doesn't do it for me.
It's most comparable to Tennis. If Tennis had loud crowds and music blaring, it wouldn't appeal to me. I want to see guys focused on their sport, and the distractions in LIV seem like it tames down the discipline and focus.
On the fan side of things, I'll keep saying that it sucks as a fan to not have all the top players able to play each other routinely. The PGA is IMO largely to blame for what has happened. They have mismanaged the LIV competition at every step of the way. Monahan is an absolute backstabbing greedy idiot and he solely deserves the PGA to implode, but I hate that the PGA is the one who struggles through this.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:07 pm to WhiskeyThrottle
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The PGA is IMO largely to blame for what has happened. They have mismanaged the LIV competition at every step of the way.
The Saudis wanting to buy golf is to blame for this situation. No matter what the PGA tour did or could have done was going to stop the Saudis from offering way above market value for players or players accepting way above market value from the Saudis.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 1:44 pm to BogeyTX
I am thinking about attending the Houston event too just to see it in person and how it is run.
Hopefully it won't be 105 degrees.
Hopefully it won't be 105 degrees.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 3:39 pm to lsupride87
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LIv has turned some grown men into pudding brain Bravo women
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lsupride87
Indeed.
Posted on 4/17/24 at 9:15 pm to RedHawk
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I feel the PGA has tried this “world tour” before and it just didn’t work from a financial standpoint. LIV doesn’t have to worry about being profitable, the PGA Tour does.
By far the biggest problem is that there are vanishingly few sponsors outside the U.S. who will put up the kind of sponsorship dollars required to host $15 - 20+M professional golf event every year outside the U.S. It's not like this is the first, second, or tenth iteration of this idea; it's just that LIV has sponsors that, to date, have not cared one shite about actually making money.
The way to get around it is to make it more worth their while (a la Formula 1), but that takes time.
In other words, look at even what is likely a relatively "successful" event in LIV term at Adelaide: that tournament is still going to be a gigantic money loser for the organization. $25M purse + $5 - 10M in operating expenses + approximately $20 - 30M allocated annualized "Capex" in player acquisition fees. That tournament isn't sniffing $20M in revenue both on site and TV included.
This post was edited on 4/17/24 at 9:19 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 8:59 am to bopper50
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Hopefully it won't be 105 degrees
It will more than likely be close, that's why I'm not going. I've played the course and went to the Shell Houston Open when it was held at The Golf Club of Houston, formerly Redstone. It's super long and it's a tough walk with the heat. Long walks from #1 green to # 2 tee box, #9 green to #10 tee, #17 green to #18 tee. There is no where to cut across the course, the front 9 makes a big loop. The back 9 is a little easier as there are a few holes that are side by side.
I'm not trying to tell you not to go, just be prepared for some serious walking if you want to follow certain players and with it being a shotgun start with all of the guys on the course at the same time, you'll have to be quick to catch a few holes of each of your favorites.
I went to the PGA tournament in Houston earlier this month, the weather was fantastic and the course was easy to navigate being that you could catch several holes within a short distance. We played The Golf Club of Houston on the Saturday we were there and it was fun to play, I highly recommend it.
Anyway, if you decide to go, have fun.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:20 am to AbuTheMonkey
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That tournament isn't sniffing $20M in revenue both on site and TV included.
And you know that for a fact?
Posted on 4/18/24 at 10:34 am to bopper50
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Your argument fell apart with this statement
Wasn’t arguing anything. It’s my opinion that I enjoy the broadcast and I get more out of it than a PGAT broadcast especially when you consider how many Ozempic ads interrupt the golf.
Based on the shotgun start, there’s no break in the action and it’s wonderful. I do have my critiques about LIV but, the TV production (imo) is so far ahead of what the PGAT is doing right now
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:36 am to Swagga
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it would be a TOUGH look for Rory to go over there.
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850 million
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:37 am to OKtiger
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ads
PGA Tour needs ads and sponsors to survive. It is a necessary evil. Another thing LIV doesn’t have to worry about with PIF backing them up.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 4/18/24 at 11:41 am to RedHawk
Well, it’s a terrible TV product because of it and objectively ruins the viewing experience.
Ads are necessary for sporting events. The constant barrage of ads you see during PGAT telecasts are not.
Ads are necessary for sporting events. The constant barrage of ads you see during PGAT telecasts are not.
Posted on 4/18/24 at 3:33 pm to OKtiger
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That tournament isn't sniffing $20M in revenue both on site and TV included.
And you know that for a fact?
Let's just say I have a pretty good idea of what the P&L's look like for events like that.
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