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re: PC Discussion - Gaming, Performance and Enthusiasts

Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:51 pm to
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 6/27/17 at 8:51 pm to
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but they generally lead to blue screens and the computer shutting off, which is what I'm experiencing.

Correct. I'll say more hard freeze(no blue screen), black screens and random restarts. Blue screens usually come from other hardware or software issues.
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I then move my cursor around on the screen and pan the map and hear a single short click. The system may lock up for a second and then things start working normally.

This sounds exactly like a HDD about to die. Even SSDs that are about to die act in the same manor.
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After doing this for about a minute or 2, the game will freeze, but not the computer. Eventually, the system either comes back, blue screens, or just completely turns off.

This is where it becomes confusing. This now sounds closer to other hardware issues besides HDD.

Download Passmark's DisckCheckup and/or Spinrit from GRC.
Posted by SouthBendBob
Rockland County, NY
Member since Mar 2013
853 posts
Posted on 6/27/17 at 9:20 pm to
Ok, I downloaded DiskCheckup from Passmark. It has everything labeled as "OK" and doesnt show any problems. I ran its short test, which passed. I started the game up and watched the read/write data lines during the clicking. Both showed zeros during the click and occasionally had some values between clicks.

This time, the system blue screened and restarted with the CRITICAL_OBJECT_TERMINATION error. As far as I can tell, this just means that a critical system process ended, but Microsoft's website doesn't list potential causes for this.

I should also note that I've been troubleshooting this problem for a few days and I've done a few tests such as Windows 7's chkdsk and I also downloaded a drive test package from Western Digital's website. Ran these tests separately, which took about 2+ hours each. Both came back as passing. I've also run tests on the RAM using Memtest86. I ran memtest86 over night for about 6 total passes. This also came back fine.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:37 am to
Any OCs or heat issues? Only happens "in game" right?
Posted by SouthBendBob
Rockland County, NY
Member since Mar 2013
853 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 9:47 am to
Yeah so far it has only happened in game. I was able to play Mount & Blade: Warband, which isn't too demanding. Though if I play Civ V or Cities: Skylines, it goes starts acting up.

I'm also not overclocking any of my components. I don't believe that heat is the problem as I have a monitor the tells me the CPU and GPU temperatures. Both stay under 80 C (systems is just cooled with fans). I also ran the furmark benchmark for about 10 minutes and didn't have any issues with that.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 12:47 pm to
Check out this pretty well done on Intel CPUs when it comes to RAM speeds. They test both DDR3 and DDR4.

OC Club - Does Memory Speed Affect Gaming Performance; An Intel Question

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After running through all of the tests, it appears that what I previously thought was an easy and clear answer is in fact more complicated. With the evidence provided I can safely say that memory can play a large role in some games over all frame rates. However, other factors like the processor, type of video card, and resolution will usually provide a bigger impact in the final frame rates. Strictly speaking of game performances, the fastest memory tested does yield better results. Some games average FPS was within a 3% margin of error and others were wildly different


Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
25965 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:40 pm to
And so it begins

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We are writing to inform you of an upcoming change to Cox High Speed Internet service in your area related to data usage.

Your Cox High Speed Internet service currently includes a data plan of 1 TB (1,024 GB). Beginning 07/06/2017, if you exceed your monthly data plan we will automatically provide additional blocks of data for $10 per 50 gigabytes (GB), as needed. This will not impact 98% percent of customers, but instead only charges the heaviest Internet users.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:42 pm to
Yeah data caps should be fckking illegal.

I don't even like reading about them. The stuff gets me angry.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48977 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:05 pm to
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Your Cox High Speed Internet service currently includes a data plan of 1 TB (1,024 GB). Beginning 07/06/2017, if you exceed your monthly data plan we will automatically provide additional blocks of data for $10 per 50 gigabytes (GB), as needed. This will not impact 98% percent of customers, but instead only charges the heaviest Internet users.


Wow. $10 per 50GB seems expensive. Also, i have a hard time believing they only sent these letters to 2% of their users.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15511 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:19 pm to
My big problem with my ISP is the wait for the next free bump up past 1gig service.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:25 pm to
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My big problem with my ISP is the wait for the next free bump up past 1gig service

Do you really need 1gb?

I want latency to improve more so than bandwidth right now. We are at 300mbs here, but latency still around 10.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15511 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 6:54 pm to
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Do you really need 1gb? I want latency to improve more so than bandwidth right now. We are at 300mbs here, but latency still around 10.


EPB only has 3 options. 100m, 1g, 10g

1g is not much more than 100m. 10g is quite a bit more expensive. 50, 70, 300 I believe is the prices.

I run a few things that I rather have 1g over 100m.


EPB likes to be ahead of the curve, so we get free bumps in speed every time Crapcast/Charter/AT&T do something to try and compete with EPB.




This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 6:56 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:07 pm to
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1g is not much more than 100m. 10g is quite a bit more expensive. 50, 70, 300 I believe is the prices.

Plus need to change hardware. Like I have a switch along with router, that is 8 ports plus 8 client needs.

Jesus 10g? Jesus
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
25965 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:19 pm to
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Jesus 10g? Jesus


Yeah at 350 I have all I need, hell I was fine at 125. I would like to download that Steam game in 2 minutes but though.
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 7:59 pm to
At that point you are limited by Steam's servers.
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
25965 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:18 pm to
Steam is about 10% of max DL speed so 10G would put you at 1 g DL, assuming as you said their servers can do that.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
15511 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 8:20 pm to
10g was mostly for the lulz, I think. EPB was the first to offer 1g fiber in the US for residential customers. They advertise Chattanooga as gig city because of that. Comcast decided a year or two ago to offer 2g in Chattanooga at some ridiculous price to rub it in EPB's face, like $500 install and $500 a month. So EPB decided to offer 10g to residential customers for a cheaper rate than Comcast's 2g.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65814 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:52 pm to
The hits for the X299 platform disaster just keep coming for Intel, now apparently almost ALL motherboards have serious VRM overheating issues.

So they've went from Kaby Lake having serious heating issues with overclocking at all, to a 20-40% power draw increase over Broadwell for the equiv CPU, with even worse heat issues that AIO coolers can't handle 4.6GHz OC's or higher to now having motherboards with serious VRM issues.

It's nice to see Intel take back the heat/power hog title from AMD though.

Intel should have never moved the launch up, clearly not only were they not ready, motherboard manufacturers weren't either.

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Measuring the front and the back of his AORUS X299 Gaming 3 board, the temperatures read 84.2 and 105.9 degrees Celcius. The heatsinks on the motherboards apparently are not enough to keep the MOSFET temperatures in check. He points out that his ASUS X299 Prime is even worse, hitting those temperatures in just under 10 minutes.

This is made even worse by the fact that this is only at 4.6GHz at 1.2V, which is very moderate for a 24/7 overclock. If it is reading as 105.9 degrees at the back of the board, the temperature of the MOSFET could actually be ~120 degrees Celcius. That is because there is a PCB in between that insulates it somewhat, hence the 105.9 degrees Celcius reading. Also, Der8auer states that this was after 15 minutes of Prime95 non-AVX load. If he used a CPU stress program that actually uses AVX, the temperatures will be even higher.

Apparently, the Skylake-X CPUs are drawing too much for only a single 8-pin feeding it. This results in higher temperatures and can even burn some power supply cables. With the thermocouple probe, the temperature on the 8-pin cable read 65C on an open air test bench. Once inside a 40C or higher case in the summer, those temperatures can climb up to 80 or 90C, which is dangerous.

That is why according to him, he cannot recommend ANY X299 motherboard with only a single 8-pin PSU connector. He suggests waiting a month or two for manufacturers to release new boards with better designs that fixes these issues. It does not matter whether it is Gigabyte, ASUS, ASRock, MSI, etc. No matter how good the VRM design claim is, if it only has an 8-pin power connecter feeding the CPU, stay away from it.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
44108 posts
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:58 pm to
Yikes
Posted by LSU Coyote
Member since Sep 2007
53390 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:07 am to
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They advertise Chattanooga as gig city because of that.

Oh you are in Chattanooga?

I love Chattanooga. Awesome City.
Posted by LSUSaintsHornets
Based Pelican
Member since Feb 2008
7309 posts
Posted on 6/29/17 at 9:11 am to
X299 is a disaster. Looks like I'm waiting to upgrade yet again. Hopefully amd can get the clock speeds competitive soon because it doesn't look like Intel will be delivering a worthwhile cpu for at least a year.
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