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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:12 pm to
I see, so are you also planning on going to 4K soonish?
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:14 pm to
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I see, so are you also planning on going to 4K soonish?

I've been 4K since last summer. September I bought some CrossOver Koreans.

Just picked up my 2nd 4K TV for the apartment. No HDR, fckk that price gap. I'll just experience HDR when im home on weekends.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:15 pm to
Ah, yeah I meant like full featured 4K. GSync, HDR, 100Hz+ etc.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 1:20 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:17 pm to
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:20 pm to
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Ah, yeah I meant like full featured 4K. GSync, HDR, etc.

If the prices come down on monitors. I had GSync before, I hate most of the panels. Can't stand anti-glare on a screen.

HDR >>> 4K if upgrading from 1440 as you would probably agree. But fckk, im not paying 1-1.2K for a monitor when the HDR standard is still being standardized.

HDR Premium and HDR Pro.. and that other HDR standard, man it is a mess right now.
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100Hz+ etc.

My Koreans have always OC'd well. I can get close enough to 90hz which I like. Right now they are set at 75hz and believe might have more room but scared to push them.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 1:22 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:20 pm to
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YouTube video explaining the VRM heatsink issues

Cool I'll check it out tonight.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:30 pm to
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HDR >>> 4K if upgrading from 1440 as you would probably agree. But fckk, im not paying 1-1.2K for a monitor when the HDR standard is still being standardized.



Absolutely, that's why I'm getting the new Samsung when it drops next month, 1440 10 bit with HDR > 4K no HDR 8 bit. I'm sticking with the QHD, curved, HDR, 144Hz for the foreseeable future until 4K panels with those features aren't more expensive than my damn TV.

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HDR Premium and HDR Pro.. and that other HDR standard, man it is a mess right now.



Hmm, HDR10 and Dolby Vision are the 2 standards. Samsung calls theirs HDR10 Premium just to have a different name, it's still the same HDR10 format standard. LG uses HDR Pro for their naming sake but it is also still the same HDR10 standard format, but they also offer Dolby Vision.

It's mostly your typical scummy company thing of trying to trick unknowing consumers into thinking they are getting something they are not. The HDR10 standard requires a 10 bit panel, if it doesn't have one, it's not real HDR and the naming scheme is there to trick you.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 1:31 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:35 pm to
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1440 10 bit with HDR > 4K no HDR 8 bit

I would agree. We have a new 12bit standard coming which i'm more excited about than 4K itself.
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Hmm, HDR10 and Dolby Vision are the 2 standards. Samsung calls theirs HDR10 Premium just to have a different name, it's still the same HDR10 format standard. LG uses HDR Pro for their naming sake but it is also still the same HDR10 standard format, but they also offer Dolby Vision.

You know I thought so. The guy at Wal-Mart(kid) was telling me this shtt. I was like damn, didn't know. Thought we decided on a standard.

Was actually about to post the interaction in my truck after buying the TV. But it was almost 6 this past Monday and LSU was coming on, so needed to rush home.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:40 pm to
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You know I thought so. The guy at Wal-Mart(kid) was telling me this shtt. I was like damn, didn't know. Thought we decided on a standard.


Not surprising then.

I hate that shite so much though, it is so damn scummy. Hey here are 3 different TV's, this one has HDR Pro, this one HDR Premium, this one HDR Super, 2 of those 3 are actually HDR10 meaning real HDR, better hope you pick right! Good luck.

As if the average consumer is going to know or have any real idea what is what.

But that is how they tend to sell the lower end models, oh wow look this one has HDR for half the price of that one!! Yeah, about that...
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 1:40 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:42 pm to
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Hey here are 3 different TV's, this one has HDR Pro, this one HDR Premium, this one HDR Super, 2 of those 3 are actually HDR10 meaning real HDR, better hope you pick right! Good luck.

Yeah its super confusing to even ppl like us who keep up with it. It is all over consumer electronics. Makes you 2nd guess and question shtt.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 1:45 pm to
It's pretty ridiculous, and not the slight bit surprising. Nothing like tricking consumers into buying your lower end models thinking they got something they actually did not.

Shouldn't be allowed.
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:15 pm to
Listening to PCPer's podcast from last night. IDK man this VEGA stuff..

They are claiming +/- 10% of a 1080 not 1080 Ti. IDK. But they are just seeing the leaks. Their card comes in today.

Edt: They did say overclocked 1080, so idk.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 2:25 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:31 pm to
I mean there are already numerous benches from the Frontier Edition out there, all beat the 1080.

RX Vega will be quite a step up in performance from the Frontier Edition workstation card.



The Nvidia Quadro P5000 scores 4952 right inbetween the 1070 and 1080, at double the price.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:35 pm to
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I mean there are already numerous benches from the Frontier Edition out there, all beat the 1080.

Ouch that is a tie brother.

Not only that, you can OC the fckk out of GP104. The FE is already water cooled and OC'd right?

The $499 card is air cooled. IDK, this is extremely depressing. The 1080 came out over a year ago.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:36 pm to
Nope, check the P5000, scores 300 less between a 1070 and 1080.

I actually think it is very encouraging that it smashes the P5000 at half the price.
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 2:39 pm
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:38 pm to
Why would I care about a Quadro card? They are binned for stability and get different drivers. Also have FP64 Double Precision.
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:39 pm to
That is what Vega FE is? What are you talking about? Same exact thing.
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:39 pm to
This makes me want to cry.

Damn
Posted by LSU Coyote
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:42 pm to
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That is what Vega FE is? What are you talking about? Same exact thing

Actually its not. It doesnt get the driver support. Its not a FirePro. Its like the OG TITAN having FP64 back in the day. They took that shtt away real quick.

So you can't compare price/performance.

This is not a disappointment to you?
This post was edited on 6/29/17 at 2:44 pm
Posted by UltimateHog
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Posted on 6/29/17 at 2:43 pm to
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Actually its not. It doesnt get the driver support


Yes it does, it runs the Radeon Pro series drivers just like all the other FirePro cards for workstations.

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This is not a disappointment to you?



Of course not, it smashes the P5000 at half the price. Encouraging as frick.
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