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Crusader Kings 2 is insanely addicting

Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:56 pm
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68500 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 2:56 pm
Launched Steam last night and played it for the first time in several months. Didn't play the Game of Thrones mod. I played just the regular games with a few expansions. I'm a lowly duke in Scotland but I've been screwing so many people behind closed doors (politically and physically) and it's just so much fun. I'm in good with the King of Scotland and the King of England so anytime I have a plot discovered or one of my rivals has declared war on me, I have those two backing me up and he can't do anything.

If you are into games like Civilization but want a far deeper political experience, this is for you. Just an example for what you can do. I had a rival that tried to assassinate me. So instead of assassinating him, I seduced his wife and knocked her up. That's the kind of stuff you can do in this game
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 3:01 pm to
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I had a rival that tried to assassinate me. So instead of assassinating him, I seduced his wife and knocked her up


That's some vindictive shite right there!
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68500 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 3:06 pm to
I'm an a-hole

My friend who introduced me to the game said instead of killing his rival, he had two of his children assassinated. His rival became depressed and killed himself.
Posted by USAF Hart
My House
Member since Jun 2011
10273 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 3:15 pm to
Jesus tap dancing Christ that is brutal
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
30922 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 3:42 pm to
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If you are into games like Civilization but want a far deeper political experience, this is for you.

hell of an understatement
learning curve on EU4 and CK2 is about like EVE online

Posted by asurob1
On the edge of the galaxy
Member since May 2009
26971 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 4:29 pm to
I have it and I just can't seem to find the sweet spot. I think it's because I played all EU EU2 etc so much and it just feels like the same game over and over.

Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:18 pm to
Finally, someone else who plays. No telling how many hours (well, Steam would tell me, but it's embarrassing) I've sunk into CK2 and EUIV.

ETA: The GOT mod is fun but is far too stable for long games.

If any of y'all need pointers or advice, I'm your man. Been playing this shite for 3+ years and have pretty much mastered it. Last playthrough, I successfully made Israel as a tiny Jewish Ethiopian duke. shite be hard.
This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 6:26 pm
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48935 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:34 pm to
I was interested but the reviews made it sound bad
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 6:52 pm to
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I was interested but the reviews made it sound bad



It is not for the faint of heart. You need to have 50 hours or so in to get a decent grasp of things.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9763 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:15 pm to
I am of the opinion that good game design means anyone can pick up and get a good grasp of how to play the game. If I have to spend hours in a tutorial or read 47 FAQs before I have any clue what is going on, I'm probably going to pass.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:31 pm to
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I am of the opinion that good game design means anyone can pick up and get a good grasp of how to play the game.


Paradox grand strategy games just have too much going on for this to be doable. The entire point of them is to be an intensely cerebral, planned experience. It's not for everyone, I know, but I do not think the complexity is an indictment on design.
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9763 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 7:59 pm to
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Paradox grand strategy games just have too much going on for this to be doable. The entire point of them is to be an intensely cerebral, planned experience. It's not for everyone, I know, but I do not think the complexity is an indictment on design.



I would probably say that people have good reasons for enjoying a Paradox grand strategy titles, but objectively, they're not good video games.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:07 pm to
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but objectively, they're not good video games.


How does one create an objective judgement on something that is inherently subjective?
Posted by BulldogXero
Member since Oct 2011
9763 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:17 pm to
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How does one create an objective judgement on something that is inherently subjective?



Subjectively is probably the better word there I agree; however, I do believe there are generally agreed upon design principles. If there were game design text books (which there may be), I find it hard to believe they would advocate games designed to require 50 hours of preparation before the player can begin to grasp how to play the game.

Secondly, in almost every instance, when you compare two games in a similar genre, the game that is easiest to pick up and play is the game that is more financially successful and universally loved. It's not about the game is the most feature rich or the game that lets you push the most buttons, it's the ability of a game to evoke a certain feeling. This is why World of Warcraft, Halo, and Civilization have been so successful over the years compared to older MMORPGs like EverQuest, older first person shooters, and the most in-depth grand strategy games.

This post was edited on 8/12/15 at 8:19 pm
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
20985 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:18 pm to
When I'm bored and want something playing in the background I'll occasionally put on one of Arumba's Let's Plays on YouTube. That's as far as I'm willing to go when it comes to the genre.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18555 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:38 pm to
I have over 1200 hours on CK2.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
68500 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:47 pm to
I only have a few expansions right now. What would you recommend?
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 8:55 pm to
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I only have a few expansions right now. What would you recommend?



Everything except Sunset Invasion, which is useless. Don't waste money on portraits and songs unless you have funds to piss away.

Ways of Life, Old Gods, and Charlemagne are tops. The Republic (or whatever it is) is good if you want to play as Venice, Genoa, or to create a republic from a tribal/nomadic government and have retinues. Sword of Islam if you want to be kebab.
Posted by saintsfan92612
Taiwan
Member since Oct 2008
28875 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:35 pm to
I just looked at Steam. I have 216 hours in CK2 and 863 in EU4...holy frick that is almost 50 days straight of playing the two games not to mention the countless hours I put into Victoria II and Hearts of Iron 3 which weren't set up on my steam account until 2 months ago and still have around 100 hours between them.

Damn you Paradox.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18555 posts
Posted on 8/12/15 at 10:52 pm to
Portraits and songs can be nice though. It gets a little old just seeing the same old portraits. I'd add the expansions very slowly. Honestly, some of the expansions messed with my computers ability to run the game, especially the raja expansion.
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