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The State of Ramen
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:04 pm
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:16 pm to TFTC
If having access to the wealth of human knowledge on my phone from the comfort of my toilet has ruined ramen, then that's the price we pay as a society. Chang needs to get off his high horse about some things. Not everyone wants to drop $16 for a bowl of ramen.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:17 pm to TFTC
He killed itPosted on 1/13/15 at 2:18 pm to BottomlandBrew
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Not everyone wants to drop $16 for a bowl of ramen.
That's not what it was about.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:25 pm to rbWarEagle
An odd piece (like much of Chang's writing)....he cares enough about ramen to obsess, but now it's become too easy for others to gather knowledge about the stuff, so it's "over"? He isn't an evangelist recruiting others to the church of ramen, he sounds more like a diva who now resents the audience he worked to create.
But I liked the Momofuku cookbook, and one day I'll get off my azz and concoct a LA version of his XO sauce (it uses dried scallops & yunnan ham, and I think an all-dried-shrimp and andouille version would kill).
But I liked the Momofuku cookbook, and one day I'll get off my azz and concoct a LA version of his XO sauce (it uses dried scallops & yunnan ham, and I think an all-dried-shrimp and andouille version would kill).
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:25 pm to rbWarEagle
is speeding up innovation, killing innovation?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:27 pm to hungryone
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An odd piece (like much of Chang's writing)....he cares enough about ramen to obsess, but now it's become too easy for others to gather knowledge about the stuff, so it's "over"? He isn't an evangelist recruiting others to the church of ramen, he sounds more like a diva who now resents the audience he worked to create.
I like the guy but this is how it came off to me as well.
He killed it?
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:28 pm to hungryone
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he sounds more like a diva who now resents the audience he worked to create.
I LOVE David Chang, but I was thinking the same thing. One could even argue that he played a huge role in kickstarting this "ramen trend".
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:31 pm to hungryone
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An odd piece (like much of Chang's writing)....he cares enough about ramen to obsess, but now it's become too easy for others to gather knowledge about the stuff, so it's "over"? He isn't an evangelist recruiting others to the church of ramen, he sounds more like a diva who now resents the audience he worked to create.
I agree, but there is something to what he's saying. I think he delivered the message wrong, after a second reading. I was laughing too much the first time.Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:35 pm to rbWarEagle
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there is something to what he's saying.
yeah but its not a bad thing
speeding up the process of innovation is not "killing" innovation
he just sounds bitter that he couldn't milk the trend alone longer
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:36 pm to hungryone
Chang comes off as a ramen hipster, as much as I hate to use that term. He was in on the ground floor of the most recent ramen popularity wave, and now that it's big and prevalent, he hates on the generic stuff.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:39 pm to Salmon
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speeding up the process of innovation is not "killing" innovation
I agree, but I'm not sure that's what he's actually upset about. I think it's about people making ramen with other people's recipes and not innovating. The awesome thing about food is that it's different everywhere you go due to cultural (and subcultural) influence (Louisiana being a perfect example).
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:42 pm to BottomlandBrew
I just think he sees food (specifically ramen, apparently) as art and since everyone is doing it just waters down the "genre" in general and marginalizes it... it happens with many food trends..
I like his passion about his food, though his opinions are very polarizing... I don't necessarily have the same opinions..
I like his passion about his food, though his opinions are very polarizing... I don't necessarily have the same opinions..
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:47 pm to BottomlandBrew
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ramen hipster
apparently I've been a ramen hipster since before Chang (or many of you here), was born.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:48 pm to TFTC
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I just think he sees food (specifically ramen, apparently) as art and since everyone is doing it just waters down the "genre" in general and marginalizes it
That's why his article rubs me the wrong way. He has written how he loves shitty beer and hates on craft beer. Seems like he's throwing stones from the kitchen of his glass house.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 2:51 pm to BottomlandBrew
I see your point, but people tend to be more passionate about what they actually do/create...
Anyway, I was kinda curious of the responses... It was going to obviously rub some people wrong, but I think thats part of who he is...
Anyway, I was kinda curious of the responses... It was going to obviously rub some people wrong, but I think thats part of who he is...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:03 pm to Salmon
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he just sounds bitter that he couldn't milk the trend alone longer
agree
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:21 pm to LouisianaLady
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One could even argue that he played a huge role in kickstarting this "ramen trend".
If it wasn't for him and Mind of a Chef, I probably wouldn't want Ramen all the time like I do now. I probably would never want Ramen.
But eating at a ramen place in NYC(though not his place) was one of the better meals I've had. So I thank him.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 3:22 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 3:36 pm to BottomlandBrew
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He has written how he loves shitty beer and hates on craft beer.
Completely forgot about this. He went as far as blatantly making fun of "beer nerds" who prefer quality over quantity.. but he is establishing himself as the exact same thing except it is "ramen nerd".
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:00 pm to LouisianaLady
The first print issue of Lucky Peach was a freaking Ramen issue.
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