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re: Some NOLA restaurants going to vaccine mandate for customers.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:22 pm to LouisianaLady
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:22 pm to LouisianaLady
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Pre-covid, nobody would have never asked someone else a question like this. Nobody went around asking me if I got the Gardasil when it came out. Nobody went around asking strangers if they're vaccinated for the flu.
This is so backwards. Colleges, including Trumpy LSU, literally require you to provide proof of multiple vaccinations and have done so for years. Everyone accepts those without controversy. But because of Trumpy politics the COVID vaccine has been segregated for other vaccines.
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Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:27 pm to LouisianaLady
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know many of you have memory holed the past year and a half, but the vaccine was specifically intended for elderly and high risk people initially. And only as politics shifted did people totally erase that from their memories and make it a general population thing.
There is literally no truth to these 2 sentences. This is basically the garbage our grandmothers are sharing on Facebook.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:34 pm to clooneyisgod
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This is so backwards. Colleges, including Trumpy LSU, literally require you to provide proof of multiple vaccinations and have done so for years. Everyone accepts those without controversy. But because of Trumpy politics the COVID vaccine has been segregated for other vaccines.
Yep, all of those vaccines were approved for emergency use only, just like this one.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:39 pm to clooneyisgod
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There is literally no truth to these 2 sentences. This is basically the garbage our grandmothers are sharing on Facebook.
Hot take. Limiting use to the highest risk would get in the way of the crony capitalist making their money, but getting it approved for EUA, the story they sold was one of compassion for providing protection for the most vulnerable.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:49 pm to ruzil
That there is always an a-hole in the bunch. Always.
Thanks for proving his point.
Thanks for proving his point.
This post was edited on 7/31/21 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:53 pm to joeleblanc
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That there is always an a-hole in the bunch. Always.
Perhaps their English mastery was slightly greater than what you possess.
Posted on 7/31/21 at 11:56 pm to ruzil
Perhaps. But what difference does it really make? Big question for myself. Why am I taking the time to reply to an a-hole in the bunch?
Posted on 8/1/21 at 8:04 am to LouisianaLady
In fact, an agreement can be made based on the CDC reluctantly admitting vaxxed people may have a much higher viral load and not know it, that they are a much higher risk to the staff and other customers than one that’s not vaxxed.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 8:07 am to ruzil
quote:How many people have paper copies of their results? I’d say it’s a small number. I would bet most people received a phone call with the results.
How so? You show them the positive test result and the fact that you are currently not dead prove that you beat it
Posted on 8/1/21 at 9:43 am to Icansee4miles
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In fact, an agreement can be made based on the CDC reluctantly admitting vaxxed people may have a much higher viral load and not know it, that they are a much higher risk to the staff and other customers than one that’s not vaxxed.
We’ve now gone full circle to idiots claiming that the vaccine actually poses more of a risk to restaurants than the virus itself . Brilliant.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/1/21 at 9:50 am to clooneyisgod
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Trumpy politics
Hot take, Trump is not president.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:29 am to clooneyisgod
What does that have to do with a user asking another user on a message forum if they are vaccinated? That’s what I was responding to. It has never, ever been normal to ask random friends or strangers things like that. Now.. I get the question weekly.
It would be like going around and asking strangers about their birth control status or what STDs they have or whatever else for no reason. You don’t ask people that.
Providing vaccination paperwork (a vaccine that isn’t even a long term, one and done deal like our childhood ones are) for what is essentially the flu for most people (and everyone else who it isn’t so easy for has been vaccinated on their own) to a RESTAURANT to have a meal is wildly different than submitting to college admissions that you got your polio vaccination 20 years ago. The world isn’t black or white. We can simultaneously accept established vaccinations being checked for schooling and reject Shiloh at the front door of a sandwich shop requesting a glorified flu shot printout.
It’s interesting how Tigerdroppings.com has had this shift in the past few days regarding all of this. I follow a couple of anti-lockdown subreddits and their attitude is totally on the upswing. Other states are refusing to go back to masking, standing up for themselves. And people of all beliefs/backgrounds are waking up to how absurd the whole vaccine rollout and messaging has been. TD is strangely moving the other direction.
As I said prior, I’m far from anti vaccine. Didn’t get it because I’m young and healthy. Now, I’ll have antibodies and am even less inclined to rush out. But even if I had 15 vaccinations flowing through me, I wouldn’t agree with the ostracizing of folks society is trying to do for something that isn’t deadly for the majority of people. Especially when everyone has their own opportunity to get vaccinated. ESPECIALLY not for some random service industry kid to be the enforcer.
It would be like going around and asking strangers about their birth control status or what STDs they have or whatever else for no reason. You don’t ask people that.
Providing vaccination paperwork (a vaccine that isn’t even a long term, one and done deal like our childhood ones are) for what is essentially the flu for most people (and everyone else who it isn’t so easy for has been vaccinated on their own) to a RESTAURANT to have a meal is wildly different than submitting to college admissions that you got your polio vaccination 20 years ago. The world isn’t black or white. We can simultaneously accept established vaccinations being checked for schooling and reject Shiloh at the front door of a sandwich shop requesting a glorified flu shot printout.
It’s interesting how Tigerdroppings.com has had this shift in the past few days regarding all of this. I follow a couple of anti-lockdown subreddits and their attitude is totally on the upswing. Other states are refusing to go back to masking, standing up for themselves. And people of all beliefs/backgrounds are waking up to how absurd the whole vaccine rollout and messaging has been. TD is strangely moving the other direction.
As I said prior, I’m far from anti vaccine. Didn’t get it because I’m young and healthy. Now, I’ll have antibodies and am even less inclined to rush out. But even if I had 15 vaccinations flowing through me, I wouldn’t agree with the ostracizing of folks society is trying to do for something that isn’t deadly for the majority of people. Especially when everyone has their own opportunity to get vaccinated. ESPECIALLY not for some random service industry kid to be the enforcer.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:35 am to clooneyisgod
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including Trumpy LSU,
That’s so cute
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:42 am to LouisianaLady
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We can simultaneously accept established vaccinations being checked for schooling and reject Shiloh at the front door of a sandwich shop requesting a glorified flu shot printout.
You know, I actually agree with this....but I also know that ridiculously low vaccination rates in LA have led to crisis operations for hospitals in at least two of LA's major population centers. It's a bad time to have a heart attack in BR or Houma/Thib, or (g=d forbid) see a mass casualty event from accident or human foolishness in those places right now. So if not being able to go to a favorite place motivates someone to get vaccinated, then I don't care. To me, it's like requiring proper attire, or no-shoes-no-shirt-no-service. A business owner can impose particular rules within reason on their patrons.
Yes, the messaging has changed--because the dang virus continues to evolve and certainty isn't science (that's faith).
But we are capable of making calculated choices even in an environment of changing info. My choice to be vaccinated isn't really "how will this illness affect me?" It's more about "how will this illness potentially affect my immunocompromised 10 y o neighbor kid, or my transplant survivor co-worker, or my immunosupressed nephew" or any of the countless people who are at more risk than I.
A worldwide vaccine campaign has nearly wiped out polio, and we've managed to get rid of smallpox outside of bioweapons....wouldn't it be nice to see coronavirus & other illnesses go the same way.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:53 am to clooneyisgod
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Colleges, including Trumpy LSU
What does trumpy lsu mean?
The head of the university is a far leftist who hates white people. And have you been on campus lately? Besides a few fratboys here and there, everyone is walking around with masks like good little lemmings. The student body and staff is certainly not what I would call Trump supporters
Posted on 8/1/21 at 10:56 am to LouisianaLady
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As I said prior, I’m far from anti vaccine.
I think if you could go out of body & read your posts, you would disagree with that sentiment
Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:10 am to Lester Earl
You can think whatever you want, ole Lester boy, but if you went far back enough to when vaccines were rolling out initially, you will see that I was entirely planning on needing to get it for travel or whatever else and was never against the idea. Just was never rushing out. For someone who is young and healthy, I think that is a totally acceptable stance. Most of us young, healthy people encouraged our family members to get the vaccine. If we were so antivax, we wouldn't have done that, now would we?
It has only been in the past few weeks that things have shifted in a nearly evil way towards people who have chosen that route.
As I said, the messaging has been horrible. Now, you're a "stupid fricking redneck a-hole idiot" or some variation of such if you simply didn't run out and get a vaccine as a perfectly healthy young person. Yeah, that's really gonna convince the unvaccinated.
The dude who cooks for Blue Giant or Turkey and the Wolf or one of those places posted just that type of thing on IG yesterday. They're just fortunate there's enough mentally ill people that eat that shite up, so they have the freedom to make a-hole posts like that.
Maybe if they hadn't made the vaccine political back when it was being worked on under Trump's presidency (which, I was still never planning to rush out and get because lazy), it wouldn't be such a political disaster now. But they did this to themselves.
At the end of the day, you aren't going to convince people who are skeptical about the vaccine to run out and get it by calling them names. Nor are you going to convince them by comparing it to ACTUAL horribly deadly diseases. Nor are you going to convince them by bringing back mask recommendations for the vaccinated. All things that are happening.
It has only been in the past few weeks that things have shifted in a nearly evil way towards people who have chosen that route.
As I said, the messaging has been horrible. Now, you're a "stupid fricking redneck a-hole idiot" or some variation of such if you simply didn't run out and get a vaccine as a perfectly healthy young person. Yeah, that's really gonna convince the unvaccinated.
The dude who cooks for Blue Giant or Turkey and the Wolf or one of those places posted just that type of thing on IG yesterday. They're just fortunate there's enough mentally ill people that eat that shite up, so they have the freedom to make a-hole posts like that. Maybe if they hadn't made the vaccine political back when it was being worked on under Trump's presidency (which, I was still never planning to rush out and get because lazy), it wouldn't be such a political disaster now. But they did this to themselves.
At the end of the day, you aren't going to convince people who are skeptical about the vaccine to run out and get it by calling them names. Nor are you going to convince them by comparing it to ACTUAL horribly deadly diseases. Nor are you going to convince them by bringing back mask recommendations for the vaccinated. All things that are happening.
This post was edited on 8/1/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:19 am to LouisianaLady
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ole Lester boy
Arbitrary name-calling. This is only going to strengthen your credibility and rebuttal.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:24 am to hungryone
Well this is where people just fundamentally disagree.
Great..
So close. So you agree that this is goes against what any rational person would consider to be okay pre-Covid, but it is okay under the guise of "the greater good". Well, that's a very slippery slope there. You can slap "the greater good" on just about anything.
If the entire staff is vaccinated, and everyone coming in who is at risk and/or wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated, why not focus on themselves and not worry about what other patrons are doing?
To you, maybe. But if you can't understand that a vaccine is much, much different than not wearing shoes and a shirt to other people, I don't know what to say. As I said, the world is not black or white. People can make all the comparisons in the world, but you can simultaneously adhere to society's accepted standard of being clothed and not agree with forcing medical decisions on people to enter a restaurant.
Lots of people who are fully vaccinated and who think everyone should be vaccinated agree that this restaurant employee vaccine card bouncer BS is totally insane. This isn't some sort of anti vaxxer stance.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
^ Besides the fact that polio itself is a much different thing than a glorified flu in people of all ages, it also has a wildly different outcome.
How or why this would be compared to a respiratory illness that the vast majority of people recover from is beyond me.
Why are we looking at this in a "this or that" mindset? Covid isn't polio. People can support vaccines and even support the Covid vaccine and think this restaurant shite is completely insane.
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You know, I actually agree with this...
Great..
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if not being able to go to a favorite place motivates someone to get vaccinated, then I don't care
So close. So you agree that this is goes against what any rational person would consider to be okay pre-Covid, but it is okay under the guise of "the greater good". Well, that's a very slippery slope there. You can slap "the greater good" on just about anything.
If the entire staff is vaccinated, and everyone coming in who is at risk and/or wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated, why not focus on themselves and not worry about what other patrons are doing?
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To me, it's like requiring proper attire, or no-shoes-no-shirt-no-service. A business owner can impose particular rules within reason on their patrons.
To you, maybe. But if you can't understand that a vaccine is much, much different than not wearing shoes and a shirt to other people, I don't know what to say. As I said, the world is not black or white. People can make all the comparisons in the world, but you can simultaneously adhere to society's accepted standard of being clothed and not agree with forcing medical decisions on people to enter a restaurant.
Lots of people who are fully vaccinated and who think everyone should be vaccinated agree that this restaurant employee vaccine card bouncer BS is totally insane. This isn't some sort of anti vaxxer stance.
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A worldwide vaccine campaign has nearly wiped out polio, and we've managed to get rid of smallpox outside of bioweapons....wouldn't it be nice to see coronavirus & other illnesses go the same way.
The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement.
^ Besides the fact that polio itself is a much different thing than a glorified flu in people of all ages, it also has a wildly different outcome.
How or why this would be compared to a respiratory illness that the vast majority of people recover from is beyond me.
Why are we looking at this in a "this or that" mindset? Covid isn't polio. People can support vaccines and even support the Covid vaccine and think this restaurant shite is completely insane.
Posted on 8/1/21 at 11:35 am to LouisianaLady
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How or why this would be compared to a respiratory illness that the vast majority of people recover from is beyond me.
I have been wondering for months if people's feelings about vaccination in LA would be radically different if Covid primarily killed children. I've heard too damn many people say, "yeah, but it really only kills the elderly." As though that's a perfectly acceptable outcome.
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