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Sad to see a good beer bar on the decline

Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:43 am
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136811 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:43 am
Meddlesome Moth was on the cutting edge for beer bars 4 years ago

This is sad for an IPA showcase

Hope they get fresh blood soon

Posted by CBLSU316
Far Right of Left
Member since Jun 2008
11392 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 9:44 am to
I could eat the fried chicken skins from there until I literally exploded.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:52 am to
Sad to see a good poster on the decline
Posted by Lake Vegas Tiger
Lake Vegas
Member since Jun 2014
3248 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 10:55 am to
bunch of shitty beers
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38686 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:05 am to
When you moved they had to change their business model.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10019 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:08 am to
I'm sorry, are you drinking those beers on the regular?
Posted by beersnoob
down dat bayou
Member since Jun 2017
26 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:51 am to
No rare ghost? Sad!
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10019 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 11:58 am to
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beersnoob


Appropriate
Posted by Matisyeezy
End of the bar, Drunk
Member since Feb 2012
16624 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

I'm sorry, are you drinking those beers on the regular?



nope

and, generally speaking, people don't want to -- that's the problem
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136811 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:07 pm to
I was considered a good poster?

:blush:
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
101919 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:17 pm to
Is the craft beer scene in Dallas anything special these days?

I know there are plenty of breweries in the metroplex, but are any putting out amazing beers consistently, or just run of the mill stuff?
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:21 pm to
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or just run of the mill stuff?

This described most of what I had when I was out that way. WAs actually disappointed in the Gingerman, Bulldog, and other bars I was at because the selection seemed subpar. Of course I did get to try BA Ten Fiddy and a few other dark beers that were exceptional but everything hoppy and light was meh.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10019 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:45 pm to
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Of course I did get to try BA Ten Fiddy and a few other dark beers that were exceptional but everything hoppy and light was meh.



I'd say Community's Mosaic, Revolver's Blood and Honey and Deep Ellum's IPA at the very least are above average. There are certainly other good beers being brewed in the metroplex as well. The local scene as a whole is fairly strong, though they do lack a signature world class type of beer for now.
Posted by ragincajun03
Member since Nov 2007
21231 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 12:52 pm to
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I'd say Community's Mosaic, Revolver's Blood and Honey and Deep Ellum's IPA at the very least are above average. There are certainly other good beers being brewed in the metroplex as well. The local scene as a whole is fairly strong, though they do lack a signature world class type of beer for now.


The beers you list certainly are respectable products. I had a couple Blood & Honey's after cutting the grass this weekend, and they went down like a beer half the ABV of what they are.

However, if comparing against Houston (which HOU and DAL love to do), none of the hoppy beers come close to what Whole Foods has done, Brash owns any Dallas area Brewery in the stout category, and then both Copperhead and B-52 have pushed out brews that Community and Deep Ellum don't currently match.

All that said, I don't think the list the OP posted is some sub-par list. Having 120 and a new Green Flash offering should be good enough to draw interest from your regular craft beer drinkers.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10019 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

All that said, I don't think the list the OP posted is some sub-par list. Having 120 and a new Green Flash offering should be good enough to draw interest from your regular craft beer drinkers.


Exactly this. It's not like it's some exclusive festival or tapping where they are charging people just to get in the door. They will have their always strong tap list along with a few special offerings that people in Dallas don't have regular access to. It certainly is nothing to complain about.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10019 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:03 pm to
quote:


The beers you list certainly are respectable products. I had a couple Blood & Honey's after cutting the grass this weekend, and they went down like a beer half the ABV of what they are.

However, if comparing against Houston (which HOU and DAL love to do), none of the hoppy beers come close to what Whole Foods has done, Brash owns any Dallas area Brewery in the stout category, and then both Copperhead and B-52 have pushed out brews that Community and Deep Ellum don't currently match.


I admittedly know very little about Houston's beer scene as I haven't spent any real time down there in probably 4 or 5 years (and I'm only 26). After living in Baton Rouge for most of my life and a couple of years in NOLA, I will say the two years in Dallas have been a welcome step up in drinking local craft beer.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:10 pm to
It is tough for craft beer bars to outdo each other. It seems like every weekend, somebody is having a special event that is fantastic. I think that what Rouge is saying is that if you're advertising a special event, you need to bring it, and have some one offs and rare stuff, if you're going to get people excited about your event.

Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
27095 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:48 pm to
While the 2016 hop crop was plentiful, a lot was lost when crossing the rockies. Four oxen drown when fording a river, and an entire caravan of men and hops were lost by an attack by the Mormons just outside of SLC. Dallas should count themselves lucky. Those of us east of the Mississippi are suffering a true hop famine.
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24743 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 1:53 pm to
JULY 2017 CROP UPDATE
by Steve Carpenter / Chief Operations Officer, Yakima Chief - Hopunion LLC
July 19, 2017 / Farming
There are still two full months before the early hop varieties are harvested in the Pacific Northwest, but the crop appears to be developing well in most areas. Reservoirs and snow pack are adequate in the irrigated areas, so water is not a challenge like it was in 2015. The lingering snow in Idaho and Washington delayed farmers getting onto their land, but planting was accomplished in a timely manner and baby hops look good for the most part. Washington and Idaho have experienced hot temperatures in early July which could affect bloom set. In Oregon, the spring weather was unsettled but the state is now experiencing nearly ideal hop growing weather.

There were 3,200 more acres planted in the PNW, almost half of which was planted in Idaho. Cascade and Nugget acreage is down while Citra®, Chinook, and Centennial were the most planted varieties in 2017.

There is a long time to go before harvest, but it appears the Citra bines have adequate growth in all areas to support a good crop. Chinook looks exceptionally well in Idaho, although a big bine is not always a good thing for this variety which can be difficult to pick. CTZ look very good in Idaho also.

Cascades look very spotty in all areas. There is widespread early bloom, but also some very good looking Cascades for this time of year. There is time to catch up, but I would expect the Cascade crop to be off this year.

Oregon appears to have avoided the split bloom in Centennials this year which has caused the crop to be off the past few years. Washington Centennials appear to be average to good so far.

Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38686 posts
Posted on 7/31/17 at 2:56 pm to
Martin House is doing some really good stuff. Their Cellarman's Reserve Single Hop IPA can be very nice....but they change hops with each batch so it can also be humdrum. And they do a seasonal smoked Black IPA with raspberries that is as good as anything. Then they have their Friday IPA that is very solid. Community has a great RISP called legion and then they have a BA version that is top notch. Their Mosaic IPA is really good but at 9% not one I drink a lot. A new brewery is Legal Draft and their Smash & Grab IPA is really good. If there is a signature dfw beer it would probably be Lakewood Temptress milk stout and all the spinoffs...especially French Quarter Temptress which is a coffee stout on par with Founders Breakfast Stout. Then there is Cedar Creek Dankosaurus IPA which us damn good....they are about an hour from Dallas so not sure you would consider them local. Oh....and Malai Kitchen Vietnamese restaurant brews a damn good ipa and the best Dipa in Dallas....but they do small batches, draft only at their restaurant,and it sells out within a few days. The one fad that hasn't hit local brewers is the Juice craze.....not sure if the local brewers are resisting jumping on the bandwagon or if they just don't understand the greatness of a good Juice.
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