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re: Organic Food Myths Debunked
Posted on 10/29/12 at 2:59 pm to Salmon
Posted on 10/29/12 at 2:59 pm to Salmon
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still will buy organic fruits and veggies simply because they often just look better or fresher
It is pretty amazing how much better the produce looks at whole Foods as compared to Walmart, Albertsons, etc.
Not sure if it is because most of it is organic or if they just source their stuff from better farms or what.
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Posted on 10/29/12 at 3:03 pm to OldSouth
I think organic as a grocery store term is largely bullshite. 90% marketing term.
I also think that modern farming techniques are required to feed the world's population.
What I don't buy is that we understand the impacts of chemicals on the human body. We really are blind as to how our own bodies work. Much like all science throughout time, we tend to be a bit overconfident in our current level of understanding. "Yeap, dragon swallowed that sun right up." To me it comes down to the most recent 50 years of farming techniques vs eons of non-chemical farming. With that said, avoiding the product of modern farming techniques is impossible unless you grow it all yourself.
I think the worst part of the modern methods isn't the potential toxicity but the near-certain flavorlessness. mmmm hydroponic veggies.
I also think that modern farming techniques are required to feed the world's population.
What I don't buy is that we understand the impacts of chemicals on the human body. We really are blind as to how our own bodies work. Much like all science throughout time, we tend to be a bit overconfident in our current level of understanding. "Yeap, dragon swallowed that sun right up." To me it comes down to the most recent 50 years of farming techniques vs eons of non-chemical farming. With that said, avoiding the product of modern farming techniques is impossible unless you grow it all yourself.
I think the worst part of the modern methods isn't the potential toxicity but the near-certain flavorlessness. mmmm hydroponic veggies.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 3:03 pm to REG861
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I don't mind paying the extra $. Maybe I'm being paranoid about my health but that's just my stance
i'm with you, why not stack the odd's in your favor.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 3:17 pm to RaginCajunz
quote:Look at some middle school girls.
What I don't buy is that we understand the impacts of chemicals on the human body.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 3:18 pm to alajones
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Look at some middle school girls.
somebody did not watch the video...
Posted on 10/29/12 at 3:19 pm to Stadium Rat
Yeah, I am not convinced that all organic stuff is what it claims to be, but we generally try to buy from local farms that we have done our research on and feel comfortable with their products.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 3:22 pm to DEANintheYAY
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we generally try to buy from local farms that we have done our research on and feel comfortable with their products.
exactly
Posted on 10/29/12 at 4:02 pm to Salmon
quote:Nope.
somebody did not watch the video
I guess they adressed things like puberty rates getting younger and younger? chemicals like xenoestrogens?
Posted on 10/29/12 at 7:19 pm to Jimbeaux
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I'd prefer that the meat that I purchase from stores come from animals who were treated well and not miserable until the day they were slaughtered.
This is the usual mindset of people and its a perfectly legitimate request of the consumer. Im mostly talking about chickens because that is what I am most familiar with but I do have some knowledge of the other food animal industries.
People have gotten ideas from the internet, peta, friends, or whomever about the conditions that animals live in while they wait to be slaughtered for food. Most of the accusations and "facts" printed are grossly exaggerated or just not true.
PETA has put out videos of animals basically getting beaten and tortured before they are sent to slaughter. I would hope that everyone realizes these videos are bullshite and in now way represent what goes on in the industry. First off, animals treated like that would never make it to the dinner table because their meat would look absolutely terrible. Nobody goes around beating animals and whatever. And if someone were to do it and get caught, they would be fired on the spot. Most(if not all) of these undercover videos put out were actually of PETA people in the company that got jobs and put out the videos for their own personal agenda.
I did a report/study a few years ago about the welfare and living conditions of caged laying hens in the US vs UK. It basically revolved around how laying hens in the US have less space per bird than hens in the UK. Mortality rates were higher in the US and a few other factors indicated that the life of the chicken in the UK was better(feet/wing health were noted). All in all the living conditions of caged hens could be better here. Although this doesnt say that their conditions are awful and that a drastic change needs to be made.
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Having said that, I don't really trust the "free range" label, or the "no steroids" label".
You shouldnt trust labels. Plenty of companies can get away with putting all kinds of stuff on labels to basically fool customers into buying their product. Things like "all natural", "free range", and "organic" are so broad that it can be anything.
Free range is an interesting topic. Basically yea the idea is that they have free roam over an area and that they have enough room to spread their wings out completely in a complete range of motion. This practice involves more land and more supplies to run so the price is obviously going to be higher for these chickens.
The idea of people wanting the animal to have a good life comes into play here because free range chickens have a much higher mortality rate than non free range chickens. So while the chickens "might" be having a better life, more are dying at the farm than a farm not practicing this method. These chickens are also more susceptible to disease and other factors contributing to their death.
Chickens are funny though. Ive made this little comparison a couple times on here to describe chickens and free range. Take Tiger Stadium for example and drop a 1000 chickens on the football field. Within an hour, I would bet 90% of the chickens will be all huddled up between the 20 yard line and the end of the endzone. Theyre just naturally an animal that herds together and stays in a group. So your "free range" goal for them just kinda went out the window.
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or the "no steroids" label".
another myth or misconception about the chicken.
No chicken in the US that is sold for food is given any type of steroid or growth hormone. Not 1.
FDA doesnt allow it.
Chickens have been bred over the last 50 years to grow like machines. Their feed is specifically designed for maximum growth. The feed conversion rates are through the roof. We have really bred a remarkable animal. It takes around 42 days for a chicken to go from a chick to a bird big enough to be sold for food. This has been done through years of breeding and improving their feed.
Kinda hungry so im gonna stop there. Actually about to go cook some chicken
Posted on 10/29/12 at 10:14 pm to Stadium Rat
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Organic Food Myths Debunked
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Penn and Teller
Old news. Saw it long ago.
I'm not going to waste time going into detail, but I think everyone should take a look at the research with a completely open mind. Personally, I've found that some organic foods really are more pleasing to the palate. With a lot of them, however, you can't tell the difference.
As for myself, long term, why not buy organic if available and you can afford it? And, yes, you probably should educate yourself on what "organic" means . . . or "all natural" or "free range" or whatever.
The bottom line is that it's not all a "myth" nor is it completely accurate or a "reality". It's more complicated than that.
Posted on 10/29/12 at 10:19 pm to Stadium Rat
I've seen almost every P&T. Love them. Organic food is such bullshite
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:17 pm to REG861
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growing amount of toxins in our every day environment
What is a toxin?
Posted on 10/29/12 at 11:19 pm to RaginCajunz
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To me it comes down to the most recent 50 years of farming techniques vs eons of non-chemical farming. With that said, avoiding the product of modern farming techniques is impossible unless you grow it all yourself.
Does this also apply to medicine, transportation, etc?
Posted on 10/30/12 at 1:00 am to Jones
Awesome post, thanks
So the whole steroid-free label is like saying things that are already Fat Free are Fat Free (ie: salsa or oatmeal, etc)? Also, Can you give a link to the steroid thing?
And- What about antibiotics? My mother in law freaks out about antibiotics in cows/chickens/etc.
So the whole steroid-free label is like saying things that are already Fat Free are Fat Free (ie: salsa or oatmeal, etc)? Also, Can you give a link to the steroid thing?
And- What about antibiotics? My mother in law freaks out about antibiotics in cows/chickens/etc.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 1:13 am to Stadium Rat
Ok, so the douche from the Hudson Institute actually tried to claim that 'the average cup of coffee gives you a thousand times more cancer risk than a year's worth of synthetic pesticide residues." No qualifications, no data. Nevermind that a cursory google search of 'coffee + cancer' overwhelmingly reveals that coffee protects you AGAINST cancer.
While, we're at it, let's look at some of the Hudson Institute's major donors according to wikipedia: National Agricultural Chemical Association, Monsanto, ConAgra, PhRMA, Syngenta Crop Protection, CropLife International, American Cynamid.
Wow, those are some objective, non biased findings right there. This video is the equivalent of having tobacco lobbyists lecture us on the health risks/benefits of smoking.
Whether or not organic is a big waste of time, this video is a load of dog shite which proves nothing
This post was edited on 10/30/12 at 1:16 am
Posted on 10/30/12 at 1:22 am to TexasTiger05
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Federal law does NOT permit the use of added hormones in poultry or swine (pigs and hogs). Since hormones are not used in the production of poultry (chicken and turkey) or hogs, poultry and pork products sold in the United States do not contain any added hormones.
LINK
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And- What about antibiotics?
Chickens are given some antibiotics.
I hate to quote and use wiki but its late and Im studying for class tomorrow but this quote gets the jist of what I would say.
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So, the goal of antibiotics as a growth promoter is the same as for probiotics. Because the antibiotics used are not absorbed by the gut, they do not put antibiotics into the meat or eggs.[31]
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Antibiotics are used routinely in poultry for this reason, and also to prevent and treat disease. Many contend that this puts humans at risk as bacterial strains develop stronger and stronger resistances.[32]
Critics point out that, after six decades of heavy agricultural use of antibiotics, opponents of antibiotics must still make arguments about theoretical risks, since actual examples are hard to come by[citation needed]. All antibiotic-resistant strains of human diseases whose origin is known originated in hospitals rather than farms.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 1:26 am to Jones
cool, thanks. My mother in law is this misinformed zealot. She freaked when I was giving my son Tyson chicken nuggets- like someone mentioned already, they know an inspector and he says Tyson is a good product.
Posted on 10/30/12 at 1:32 am to TexasTiger05
they are. ive been to a few of their plants and its pretty impressive the lengths these companies go to give you clean and safe products
Posted on 10/30/12 at 8:48 am to Jones
Hasn't Europe banned antibiotics in chickens? I'm not saying that Europe and other countries are a model for us to go by as they jump on junk science all the time, but I think they have banned the use of anitbiotics in agriculture.
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