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re: Is a hot dog a sandwich? Present your case.

Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:19 am to
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:19 am to
What if I put a qualifier that it is a delivery vehicle for solid foods (ie. not dips).
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:23 am to
You still get things like caprese on crostini hors d'oeuvres and the like. You can plug the definition, but one that doesn't have a ton of qualifiers probably needs to be built from the ground up.
Posted by JScoop8
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:29 am to
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However, putting this forward as dispositive is about as persuasive as saying that roses aren't flowers because "rose flower" doesn't sound as good as "sun flower".


I'm pretty sure that there is scientific reasoning that qualifies these as flowers without the need to put "flower" behind it, so this isn't a really good comparison.

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ETA: TIL poboys aren't sandwiches.

ETA2: If anyone tries to tell me that they say "poboy sandwich" I'm going to want their Louisiana card back


While I agree I would never say "poboy sandwich", if you google it, you will be surprised how many people use that term so yes, a poboy is a sandwich.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:41 am to
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so yes, a poboy is a sandwich.


And what about taco? Gyro? Are those, or are they not, sandwiches?

bread, meat, condiments, with the bread used as a delivery vehicle.

Every culture has a sandwich of some sort or fashion. Food on the go is a requirement of human life and sandwiches have long been the preferred and technologically possible means/method.
Posted by JScoop8
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:46 am to
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And what about taco?
no

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Gyro?
no
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:47 am to
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I'm pretty sure that there is scientific reasoning that qualifies these as flowers without the need to put "flower" behind it, so this isn't a really good comparison.


Sure, but even the strictest of sandwich definitions (meat between two slices of bread) would engulf hamburgers, so saying that hamburgers aren't sandwiches would require the definition to be either tautological(sandwiches are things we call sandwiches) or absurdly arbitrary (sandwiches are meats between two slices of bread except for when we call meat between two slices of bread something other than a sandwich).

Frankly, I find hotdogs fit far more easily under the "sandwich" heading than I do "open faced sandwiches" which seem to defy the entire purpose of the sandwich to begin with.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 9:53 am to
Food between bread = sandwich. Not just meat. Which is why a grilled cheese is a sandwich. But a hot dog is food that is in between bread. Therefore a sandwich
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:12 am to
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Food between bread = sandwich. Not just meat. Which is why a grilled cheese is a sandwich. But a hot dog is food that is in between bread. Therefore a sandwich


So calzones, stromboli, and meat pies are sandwiches? Popeyes apple pie? Two Ritz crackers with cheese in the middle? Peanut butter cheese crackers? That definition would appear to ensnare all of the preceding.
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:13 am to
A meat pie has raw dough that is fried. Would that be considered bread?
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27271 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:19 am to
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So calzones, stromboli, and meat pies are sandwiches? Popeyes apple pie? Two Ritz crackers with cheese in the middle? Peanut butter cheese crackers? That definition would appear to ensnare all of the preceding.


My definition of bread always required some kind of rising/leavening.

Yes, I now realize we have to define "bread" in order to define "sandwich"
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:21 am to
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calzones, stromboli, and meat pies are sandwiches? Popeyes apple pie? Two Ritz crackers with cheese in the middle? Peanut butter cheese crackers? That definition would appear to ensnare all of the preceding.

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Food between bread

A cracker isn't bread. It's a cracker. Not a sandwich. And it has to be food Between bread, not food inside a breading like a pie. If it's wrapped in bread or breaded or coated in bread, it's not a sandwich. A hot dog sits in between two halves of bread
Posted by JScoop8
Member since Oct 2014
1035 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:23 am to
technically the hotdog bun is all one piece, until it falls apart. Is that when it becomes a sandwich?
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25320 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:35 am to
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A cracker isn't bread. It's a cracker. Not a sandwich. And it has to be food Between bread, not food inside a breading like a pie. If it's wrapped in bread or breaded or coated in bread, it's not a sandwich. A hot dog sits in between two halves of bread


That strikes me as an awful slender reed. Also, if I put chili in a bread bowl and put the hollowed out piece resting on top, that makes it fit the definition. In the same way, if I have a sausage kolache, that isn't a sandwich, but if I split the bread it is. Strikes me as an arbitrary distinction without a real difference.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32844 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:38 am to
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And what about taco? Gyro? Are those, or are they not, sandwiches?

Those are basically sandwiches.
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Every culture has a sandwich of some sort or fashion. Food on the go is a requirement of human life and sandwiches have long been the preferred and technologically possible means/method.

Precisely, which is why I mentioned that the previous two items are 'basically' sandwiches.
Posted by Honky Lips
Member since Dec 2015
2828 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:41 am to
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Those are basically sandwiches.


Unless the taco shell is fried. That wouldn't be "bread." Now a fajita on a flour tortilla could be a sandwich...
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48875 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:49 am to
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Is my single bread slice chicken salad handheld a sandwich?




It's called a flop over
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
25320 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:50 am to
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It's called a flop over


No, your daughter calls it that, but my research indicates no one else does.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:52 am to
A hotdog is not a sandwich. It's a hotdog.
Posted by Sidicous
Middle of Nowhere
Member since Aug 2015
17326 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:52 am to
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Gyro?

no


"gyro
noun gy·ro \'ye-?ro, 'zhir-o\
Definition of gyro
plural gyros

: a sandwich especially of lamb and beef, tomato, onion, and yogurt sauce on pita bread" From: Merriam-Webster Online


The Taco is another discussion similar to this hotdog one. And then there are several other Mexican items like tortas, quesidillas, burritos to enter the discussion of sandwich or not.

P.S.
lots of unleavened breads out there used for sandwiches yet still breads. If specifically yeast leavening required for bread, then we get into: is cornbread a bread?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
32844 posts
Posted on 7/21/17 at 10:56 am to
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there are several other Mexican items like tortas, quesidillas, burritos

These plus tacos are basically the Mexican 'version' of a sandwich.

Same as a Gyro is a middle-eastern 'version' of a sandwich.

ETA: A sandwich is a food that is typically made to be eaten by hand, that uses some type of wrapping (bread, etc...) to be a delivery vehicle for another food.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 11:10 am
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