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Drug-resistant bacteria: to humans from farms via food
Posted on 3/10/11 at 8:41 am
Posted on 3/10/11 at 8:41 am
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Another reason why buying organic might not be a bad idea.
Another reason why buying organic might not be a bad idea.
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Chickens, chicken meat and humans in the Netherlands are carrying identical, highly drug-resistant E. coli—resistance that is apparently moving from poultry raised with antibiotics, to humans, via food.
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Posted on 3/10/11 at 9:43 am to Khameleon
That must be a european thing. According to all the packaging the chicken at the supermarket is drug free. Also, I have a friend in Alabama whose mother runs a good sized chicken house and she says they don't give them squat except corn feed. I always heard like it was fact that cows and chickens are loaded up with steroids and drugs but I have never really seen anything concrete on that.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 9:53 am to alajones
Chickens have been treated with antibiotics in the US since the 1940s. Bovine Growth Hormone (BGH)is also given to cows and is a fairly common practice in the US.
As far as your friends chicken house, I can't comment on that, but I know that they usually treat the food that is given to the chickens instead of injecting the chickens with hormones or antibiotics.
As far as your friends chicken house, I can't comment on that, but I know that they usually treat the food that is given to the chickens instead of injecting the chickens with hormones or antibiotics.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 9:58 am to Khameleon
There is all kinds of anecdotal evidence besides E-coli. Girls are definitely developing faster.
This post was edited on 3/10/11 at 10:29 am
Posted on 3/10/11 at 10:20 am to alajones
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Girls are definitely developing fastr.
Including girly-guys.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 10:53 am to Khameleon
This makes me so mad and is the reason I pay more for organic.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 11:26 am to alajones
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That must be a european thing. According to all the packaging the chicken at the supermarket is drug free. Also, I have a friend in Alabama whose mother runs a good sized chicken house and she says they don't give them squat except corn feed. I always heard like it was fact that cows and chickens are loaded up with steroids and drugs but I have never really seen anything concrete on that.
The misconception is that they're loaded up with growth hormones and they're not.
The antibiotics I'm pretty sure is true.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 2:04 pm to Powerman
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The misconception is that they're loaded up with growth hormones and they're not.
They don't inject them w/ growth hormones or steroids. The simple truth is that they do nothing to chickens, so a farmer isn't going to waste his money.
Yeah...I took poultry sciences at LSU.
Antibiotics yes
Bovine are def given steroids
This post was edited on 3/10/11 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 3/10/11 at 3:18 pm to tetu
So you're saying that chickens aren't given any sort of hormones or steroids to shorten the time it takes them to grow from egg to slaughter?
Posted on 3/10/11 at 3:45 pm to Khameleon
They can accomplish that with genetics. Look up the Cornish x Rock. I am raising 25 of them right now. Little bastards gain almost a pound a week.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 3:48 pm to Khameleon
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chickens aren't given any sort of hormones or steroids to shorten the time
chickens dont need steroids to grow to the desired weight, they reach that weight in 45 days or so. they have been bred this way over the last 50 years or so.
eta: the USDA doesnt allow farmers to give chickens any type of hormones. antibiotics are allowed.
dont believe everything you hear
This post was edited on 3/10/11 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 3/10/11 at 4:13 pm to Jones
Ok I see what you're saying but the article doesn't say anything about hormones. It states that the antibiotics given to chickens are causing antibiotic-resistant bacteria to show up in humans from the chickens.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 4:27 pm to Khameleon
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Netherlands, for instance—which has conservative human antibiotic use, but the most liberal agricultural antibiotic use of any EU member—the percentage of E. coli that was found in the guts of chickens and was carrying ESBL went up five times over between 2003 and 2008.
This is a key quote from the article.
I also dont see anywhere in the article where the U.S. is mentioned. If chickens are given antibiotics here, they are withheld from slaughter for an extended period of time. Not saying this is a full proof method but it is about as good as it can get for what we are doing.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 5:14 pm to Jones
alot of started feed for chicks includes an antibiotic treatment. You can opt out of that and just get the non medicated kinda.
hey do the cornish rock chickens lay any eggs or are they just broilers. A friend got 6 of em for easter chicks and i told them the things would get huge fast and not lay a ton of eggs
hey do the cornish rock chickens lay any eggs or are they just broilers. A friend got 6 of em for easter chicks and i told them the things would get huge fast and not lay a ton of eggs
Posted on 3/10/11 at 5:23 pm to ADLSUNSU
meat type chicken
we had a bunch at our isolation house, they do grow fast as hell. they pretty much will eat til they die. we had them on limited feed
we had a bunch at our isolation house, they do grow fast as hell. they pretty much will eat til they die. we had them on limited feed
Posted on 3/10/11 at 5:35 pm to Jones
yea thats what i told them, to not have fed available all the time. Unless they are going for some sorta chicken fois gras, but they arent gunna be harvesting these chickens, so they seem like a waste of time
Posted on 3/10/11 at 7:58 pm to Khameleon
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It states that the antibiotics given to chickens are causing antibiotic-resistant bacteria to show up in humans from the chickens.
True, antibiotic resistance is a byproduct of antibiotics. It is the same in humans. There are tons of drug resistant bugs out there like VRE, MRSA, etc. Still, you have to consider the options. Would it be better to not treat people, or animals for that matter, with antibiotics? No, more harm would be caused by highly prevalent non resistant organisms than by the rarer cases of resistant ones. Regarding the transmission from animal to human, I would think it is a case of improper preparation or handling of the animals. When you raise the animals in squalor and treat them with prophylactic antibiotics the results are going to be poor. In a perfect world, animals would be monitored for illness and then treated with the least aggressive antibiotic to reduce then chance of resistance, but that is very costly for an animal that is ready for slaughter in under two months. Pick your poison.
Posted on 3/10/11 at 8:00 pm to puffulufogous
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puffulufogous
awesome avy
Posted on 3/10/11 at 8:35 pm to Jones
thanks man. Came across it via his wikipedia page after watching raising arizona.
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