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Bear's Napa Wine Review (Long)

Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:10 pm
Posted by Bear Is Dead
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:10 pm
On to the wine (sorry if TLDR)....

Just a tiny preface, I'm not going to rate the wine based on price or value. This is merely a review of wine tastings and tours from last week in Napa Valley only. We did not go to Sonoma this time. I know a lot of people on here are more fond of Sonoma, and this is in no way an attempt to say Napa is better. With that said:

Frog's Leap- Pretty simple tasting outside on a wrap around porch. Tasting facility resembles an old Victorian home, really pretty garden and grounds. I am a fan of their wine, so I am a bit partial. They have two really great cabs, including the "Rutherford", which is their big dog cab at $80. Both cabs have notes of sausage and bell pepper, very big flavor. Their merlot is, well decent for Merlot.

Silver Oak- Really nice tasting rooms and visitors center, huge gift shop. Although Silver Oak doesn't produce a large amount, they are pretty widely known, so it has a large producer feel. They makes two wines, which are Cabs, lightly blended. Silver Oak uses American Oak, so it has a pretty distinct vanilla taste. High quality, just not my flavor profile. Good tour, you learn a lot.

Raymond- This is one of my favorite groups. Odd facility complete with outdoor artwork, sheep lamb and chicken farm, and a dog park. There are three tasting rooms, but multiple rooms with a lot of history and education about wine. Go to the Crystal Cellar, very strange but this is where they pour their top wines. Big heavy cab maker. They actually make 5 100% cabs that are just fantastic. Their Generations Cab is the top $ wine, but the St. Helena Cab is my fav. Must taste IMO.

Stag's Leap Wine Cellars- This is the cab maker from the movie BottleShock, really neat tour through their cave cellar. High quality cabernets that age extremely well. We actually age some of their wines for the long term future. Another great tour. Must see IMO.

Robert Mondavi (Exclusive Cellar)- So this is a tremendous facility, you could spend a long time here. Mondavi makes some really good wines that we never see here in Louisiana. It really opens your eyes about this brand. This is a special tasting down in the cellar, where a somm teaches you about different vintages, and actually... how to properly taste wine. Well worth the time to do this tour (about 60-90 min).

Frank Family- I know this is a FDB favorite. What can you say? Great wines, pretty grounds. Just a real solid tasting. The staff does a great job talking to you about the wine and making you feel very comfortable. I recommend doing a reserve tasting, you get to taste a lot of wine that youll never see here in LA.

Miner Family- Awesome view looking over the valley. The wine is good, but to me, this was my least favorite tasting on the trip. The only wine that caught my attention was "The Oracle", which is their top $ cab. ($90). Nothing else stood out IMO.

Rombauer- If you don't like Chardonnay or Zinfandel, don't try this one. Their cabs are simply not that great. However, IMO they have the best Chardonnay and Zin out there considering price ($30ish). Their Zins don't have the obscene tartness that most carry. Really good food wines.

Domaine Chandon- So this one is for the ladies. I don't enjoy sparkling wine, so its kind of meh to me. With that said, its a good tour for the wife, you learn a good bit about the making of Champagne. Gorgeous grounds and a Michelin star restaurant on site (Etoile').

Opus One- This one was a little rushed. I had to catch my flight, and I hate that because this is a wine you need to give time. Super High quality producer. They make one wine, which is a cab that runs about $270/bottle. I shared a tasting just to see what it was all about. Its a great wine, I cant see myself buying much of it, but its a great experience. They have an awesome terrace that overlooks the valley. Very fancy tasting facility. This one is for the true wine people.

Folie e deux- Widely known as the maker of "Menage e Trois", they actually make some pretty solid wines under their Napa Cellars label. I like this place, you can do a quick flight tasting, or you can buy a bottle and have a picnic lunch on their grounds. Everyone will like this one.

Alpha Omega- Great tasting grounds. Big fountain pools and shady tables. High quality producer mainly known for its Chard. The Chard is awesome for those that love heavy oak buttery Chardonnays.

Hope you folks enjoy my thoughts. This is a great trip. If you love wine and food, its pretty much a must do IMO.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 4:10 pm
Posted by Kingwood Tiger
Katy, TX
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:24 pm to
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Raymond- This is one of my favorite groups. Odd facility complete with outdoor artwork, sheep lamb and chicken farm, and a dog park. There are three tasting rooms, but multiple rooms with a lot of history and education about wine. Go to the Crystal Cellar, very strange but this is where they pour their top wines. Big heavy cab maker. They actually make 5 100% cabs that are just fantastic. Their Generations Cab is the top $ wine, but the St. Helena Cab is my fav. Must taste IMO



Very odd place, but their wines are pretty damn good.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:31 pm to
Nice notes, sounds like you had a great trip.

Incidentally, Silver Oak actually makes about 100k cases of Alexander valley and Napa Valley cab combined, which is a lot. Also, the winery in the movie Bottle Shock was Chateau Montelena, which won the white wine competition at the judgement of Paris tasting. Stags Leap won the red wine comp, but wasn't really featured in the movie.
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:36 pm to
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Stags Leap won the red wine comp, but wasn't really featured in the movie.

Right, you learn all about that. Although there is a scene in the movie that features the front door to one of the buildings.

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Incidentally, Silver Oak actually makes about 100k cases of Alexander valley and Napa Valley cab combined, which is a lot.

Our guide was really old and must've been delirious, because he said 30k cases. That mustve been the 1980 script.
Posted by coolpapaboze
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:39 pm to
I think they do make about 30k cases if the Napa, but that's still pretty high production for that price point.
Posted by Politiceaux
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:43 pm to
Nice write up and great trip. I second Bear's recommendations.
Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:56 pm to
Nice write up. I love reading about people's experiences in California wine country.

Posted by L.A.
The Mojave Desert
Member since Aug 2003
61256 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:59 pm to
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Stags Leap won the red wine comp, but wasn't really featured in the movie.
True. And Warren Winiarski sold the winery in 2007, so he isn't making the wines at Stags Leap anymore.
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:22 pm to
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Nice write up

Thanks. Im sure you could give a better review for all of these places.
Posted by L.A.
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:27 pm to
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Thanks. Im sure you could give a better review for all of these places.
I liked yours just fine.

Posted by Fusaichi Pegasus
Meh He Co
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:31 pm to
Any pics of the facilities?
Posted by DEANintheYAY
LEFT COAST
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 3:49 pm to
Wow...looks like you hit a bunch of big names. That's the opposite of what we normally do.

If you're in Sonoma at some point I thought that Christopher Creek was great. VERY small winery though.
Posted by Coater
Madison, MS
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:00 pm to
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Sonoma


bella is a cool one but a little off the beaten path
Posted by Bear Is Dead
Monroe
Member since Nov 2007
4696 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 4:09 pm to
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Any pics of the facilities?

I do but I am bad at the internet. I'll try to update with pics.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
81194 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:37 pm to
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Domaine Chandon- So this one is for the ladies. I don't enjoy sparkling wine, so its kind of meh to me. With that said, its a good tour for the wife, you learn a good bit about the making of Champagne. Gorgeous grounds and a Michelin star restaurant on site (Etoile').


Um... Book-freaking-marked.
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:51 pm to
I feel like I have SOOOO many questions.

I've never done this before and never even come close to thinking about it and we are doing it this summer.

Do you feel like you have to buy a bottle at each place? Or is that not expected?

When you do buy wine/beer, how did you get it home? A bag with you.. Or shipped it home?

Did you set up all of these places on your own and make your own itinerary? I don't wanna drive so might be best to hire a driver. If I do, do they pick the places for you?

I'm a noob.
Posted by L.A.
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 5:57 pm to
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Do you feel like you have to buy a bottle at each place? Or is that not expected?
Definitely not. The winery is making money off of you when you pay for the tasting. There's no need to buy unless you taste a wine you really like and you feel the price is right. I probably visit about 75-80 wineries a year for tastings. I might end up buying from about 15-20. To the others I simply say before leaving, "Thank you. I enjoyed it."
Posted by Debaser
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:41 pm to
I will try to answer some of your questions with my 2 time experience there. So I am kind of a noob too.

Do you feel like you have to buy a bottle at each place? Or is that not expected?

Some wineries are trying real hard to sell, some are laid back. The tasting fee is like $30 per winery and they wave the fee if you buy, so it almost makes sense to buy.

When you do buy wine/beer, how did you get it home? A bag with you.. Or shipped it home?

Some wineries will ship it for you, depends on whether the wine is already distributed in your state. There are a couple of package shipping store in Napa that can package and ship it for you. It's very easy.

Did you set up all of these places on your own and make your own itinerary? I don't wanna drive so might be best to hire a driver. If I do, do they pick the places for you?

Biggest key - don't over book. Hit some big ones, but also hit the smaller ones. I enjoyed the smaller ones the best. I rented a car and hopped from one to the next. The ones that were really pretty, we'd buy a bottle and some snacks and just hang out on grounds. I have a high tolerence level and was fine to drive.

Another thing - don't get too enamored with the Michelin rated restaurants and trying to book a table. There are so many great ones over there. The food is so fresh. I love it and will be back soon. Rutherford Grill comes to mind. Mustards. Press.
Posted by fleaux
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 3/20/14 at 6:47 pm to
Have you ever been to Pride mountain Vineyards?? We went last time we were out there and it was a cool experience on top of the mountain
Posted by LouisianaLady
Member since Mar 2009
81194 posts
Posted on 3/20/14 at 7:10 pm to
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I have a high tolerence level and was fine to drive.


Well, me too, but I also have a DUI and am in no way drinking and driving ever again

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Some wineries will ship it for you, depends on whether the wine is already distributed in your state. There are a couple of package shipping store in Napa that can package and ship it for you. It's very easy.


Very good to know.
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