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re: Anyone here started their own bar?
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:32 pm to tduecen
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:32 pm to tduecen
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Even smaller places such as The Londoner, Overpass Merchant, Sammy's, BBW, Rotolos, Walk-On's, Burgersmith, e
The only place on this list with good beer options is OM. Decent atmosphere. The others have iffy food/beer options. Not even comparable imo
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 6:37 pm
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Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:35 pm to Deactived
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I might be in the minority (probably not though), but the last thing im thinking about when im out drinking beer is ramming some heavy arse sausage into my stomach.
What would you prefer to ram in it? A salad?
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:38 pm to Howyouluhdat
Londoner has plenty of craft option on tap Founders Doom, Avery White Rascal, Space Dust, Prairie Bomb, Great Raft All the Time, etc....
Burgersmith has several but nothing that is "hot" right now outside of Envie. They've received Ghost before so they're capable of more.
The others all have a few craft options. Where you can find something either on draft or in a bottle.
Burgersmith has several but nothing that is "hot" right now outside of Envie. They've received Ghost before so they're capable of more.
The others all have a few craft options. Where you can find something either on draft or in a bottle.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:42 pm to tduecen
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The others all have a few craft options. Where you can find something either on draft or in a bottle.
I guess I'm more geared to nothing but craft. NO BMC at all. Most of those have a few shitty options for their "craft" selections
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:43 pm to Howyouluhdat
Hell the Bulldog has BMC's on draft... Outside of Corporate every bar will have those shitty options, but they've also have some good options.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:50 pm to tduecen
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Hell the Bulldog has BMC's on draft... Outside of Corporate every bar will have those shitty options, but they've also have some good options
Idk i just like the idea of a nice big outside space to drink good beer and eat good food. That's why I'm asking what people think. Appreciate your feedback
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 6:54 pm to Howyouluhdat
An outdoor space I'm going
Bulldog, Londoner, Chimes East, Olive or Twist, Overpass Merchant... I mean all of them your staring into a parking lot for the most part.
Chimes and the Bulldog have the best set up to watch games outdoors and the Bulldog does have the water fountain. Someone needs to open a bar overlooking a river or lake like the Chimes in Covington.
Bulldog, Londoner, Chimes East, Olive or Twist, Overpass Merchant... I mean all of them your staring into a parking lot for the most part.
Chimes and the Bulldog have the best set up to watch games outdoors and the Bulldog does have the water fountain. Someone needs to open a bar overlooking a river or lake like the Chimes in Covington.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:14 pm to LouisianaLady
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Not with Chimes, Olive or Twist, and Bulldog nailing the craft beer + atmosphere + decent food.. and then CBD/Cove offering interesting beers and catering to beer folks. With the same few places fighting over Parish and the other "rare but local" beers, I'd be skeptical if someone new could even come in and take over that scene without some major connections. Not gonna change what is distributed to Louisiana and people don't seem very interested in random Russian beers or something like that.
3 places in the greater area with roughly 900,000 people is not a lot at all. None of those have a beer garden type of atmosphere either. Just Mockler alone distributes Avery,Ballast Point, Founders,Resignation,New Belgium,Goose Island, & So Pro on top of most of the top locals and that just one distributor. I don't feel like the lack of beer options is the problem at all. Thank you for your input though
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:25 pm to Howyouluhdat
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3 places in the greater area with roughly 900,000 people is not a lot at all.
I feel like this is ignoring our demographics. Those bars see dead nights a few nights a week.
Anything people are jonesing to drink is served already. Our distribution options are sad, unfortunately.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:27 pm to Howyouluhdat
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I guess I'm more geared to nothing but craft. NO BMC at all.
I guess you should read up on how beer distribution works in Louisiana.
Because if you think you're going to have gnarly barley on tap and not serve Budweiser, you've got another thing coming.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:32 pm to Breesus
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Because if you think you're going to have gnarly barley on tap and not serve Budweiser, you've got another thing coming.
If I have to have bottles of BMC then so be it if not I won't simple as that. If I can keep it off the tap line that's what I'll do
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:37 pm to Howyouluhdat
I don't know the distributers well enough to know that.
But if you think you're going to get beers that other bars don't have, it ain't happening unless you're going to try random beer from other countries that nobody has heard of... Which so far hasn't proven to be a draw.
The breweries you named have either already been on tap and will be again at most beer bars, or they're currently there. You think Bulldog or Olive or Chimes doesn't know we have/serve Avery? They're plenty aware. Are you saying you'd never rotate them out and keep those specific breweries at all times? That's not necessarily considered a good thing.
You do you, I guess. I just wouldn't open another beer bar in Baton Rouge. I think it's super risky.
Edit - Bulldog has 81 taps. Chimes has at least the same. Then you got Olive and Merchant and even some local restaurants pulling. And all of these places blow at least a couple kegs per day that are then replaced with something else. You just aren't getting access to magical secret beers that others aren't getting. So yes, beer selection IS an issue. Talk to any bar owner about the competition for the crowd drawing beers like ghost and they'll say you have to practically suck mockler and CC's dick for what you want.
But if you think you're going to get beers that other bars don't have, it ain't happening unless you're going to try random beer from other countries that nobody has heard of... Which so far hasn't proven to be a draw.
The breweries you named have either already been on tap and will be again at most beer bars, or they're currently there. You think Bulldog or Olive or Chimes doesn't know we have/serve Avery? They're plenty aware. Are you saying you'd never rotate them out and keep those specific breweries at all times? That's not necessarily considered a good thing.
You do you, I guess. I just wouldn't open another beer bar in Baton Rouge. I think it's super risky.
Edit - Bulldog has 81 taps. Chimes has at least the same. Then you got Olive and Merchant and even some local restaurants pulling. And all of these places blow at least a couple kegs per day that are then replaced with something else. You just aren't getting access to magical secret beers that others aren't getting. So yes, beer selection IS an issue. Talk to any bar owner about the competition for the crowd drawing beers like ghost and they'll say you have to practically suck mockler and CC's dick for what you want.
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:38 pm to LouisianaLady
I get what your saying but would you go to a place with a great outdoor atmosphere with good food and the same beer over Chimes or The Bulldog? I just don't think there is anywhere with that great of a vibe to chill,relax outside,eat good food,drink good beer. Pipe in some good music or occasionally have a band. Look I'm not saying this is set in stone. Just been seriously thinking about it
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:52 pm to Howyouluhdat
Like I said earlier, you dump a frick ton of money and make it as appealing as say Hay Merchant, you'll be fine. But let's not act like there's a line of people with deep pockets asking this question.
Look at Pelican. All the money they put in, and they even aren't doing too hot.
But yeah, if you have hundreds upon hundreds of thousands to open a place that blows Bulldog and similar places out the water, while also getting beer over the line of bars requesting it from distributes, while also having high quality food with real backing, while also hyping yourself up like K Street or Merchant did before opening.. Then go for it.
I always just assume someone talking about okening a bar doesn't have all of that.
Look at Pelican. All the money they put in, and they even aren't doing too hot.
But yeah, if you have hundreds upon hundreds of thousands to open a place that blows Bulldog and similar places out the water, while also getting beer over the line of bars requesting it from distributes, while also having high quality food with real backing, while also hyping yourself up like K Street or Merchant did before opening.. Then go for it.
I always just assume someone talking about okening a bar doesn't have all of that.
Posted on 6/12/17 at 7:56 pm to LouisianaLady
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I always just assume someone talking about okening a bar doesn't have all of that.
Well I'm not just the I want to open a shitty bar guy but yea I don't have that kind of pull at this point. I have some family that I need to pitch a business plan to though. Thanks for your two sense. I like to hear what people think good or bad
In your opinion why do you think Pelican isnt doing well. I have never been personally
This post was edited on 6/12/17 at 7:59 pm
Posted on 6/12/17 at 8:01 pm to Howyouluhdat
Certainly wouldn't complain to see new awesome businesses in BR. We just seem to only sustain certain places that tick certain boxes. I don't go to Pelican anymore. Just friends who have managed or had hands on the business say it isn't. Not relative to the rent and costs.
This board slams the shite out of them.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 6:08 am to Howyouluhdat
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get what your saying but would you go to a place with a great outdoor atmosphere with good food
I don't know about Baton Rouge, but there are shitloads of places like this in Nola. One of them is the bulldog. Then there's Bayou beer garden, tchoup yard, etc...
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:20 am to Breesus
Jumping in this thread. One of the BR challenges is lack of creative and interesting indoor/outdoor spaces, whether new development or adaptive reuse.
I've been to CBD several times when in BR and love it, but imagine how much cooler it would be in a non-strip mall space. Even the BR Bulldog isn't as cool a space/location as the 2 NO spots. If I were opening a Bar/Beer Garden in BR I would focus on 1) (Geographic) location, 2) Design/style of building and outdoor space, and the 3) food and beer. If you nail 1 and 2 you can develop a following and continually improve beer and food.
Maybe the best example of this in NO is Bayou Beer Garden. They always had a great spot even though the neighborhood years ago was still really rough. And their beer and food was nothing to write home about, in fact it used to really just be a dive bar. Now that place is packed 7 days a week, and they do have somewhat better food and drink. But what made that place was 100% location and having a great space.
I've been to CBD several times when in BR and love it, but imagine how much cooler it would be in a non-strip mall space. Even the BR Bulldog isn't as cool a space/location as the 2 NO spots. If I were opening a Bar/Beer Garden in BR I would focus on 1) (Geographic) location, 2) Design/style of building and outdoor space, and the 3) food and beer. If you nail 1 and 2 you can develop a following and continually improve beer and food.
Maybe the best example of this in NO is Bayou Beer Garden. They always had a great spot even though the neighborhood years ago was still really rough. And their beer and food was nothing to write home about, in fact it used to really just be a dive bar. Now that place is packed 7 days a week, and they do have somewhat better food and drink. But what made that place was 100% location and having a great space.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 8:45 am to NOLALGD
I agree about Bayou Beer Garden. They have a great set up with the connecting patio over to the wine garden place.
I read recently that they are going to open up a meat shop in that area as well.
They have to be making a ton of money because I wouldn't think the properties were that expensive and they seem to have went about it the right way with their expansions.
I read recently that they are going to open up a meat shop in that area as well.
They have to be making a ton of money because I wouldn't think the properties were that expensive and they seem to have went about it the right way with their expansions.
Posted on 6/13/17 at 9:43 am to Howyouluhdat
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I get what your saying but would you go to a place with a great outdoor atmosphere with good food and the same beer over Chimes or The Bulldog? I just don't think there is anywhere with that great of a vibe to chill,relax outside,eat good food,drink good beer. Pipe in some good music or occasionally have a band. Look I'm not saying this is set in stone. Just been seriously thinking about it
Give me a place with an outdoor atmosphere similar to Curbside, but with a slightly larger and better tap list, and I'd be a regular. Give me a non smoking patio, and I'd practically live there.
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