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re: USACE Ruins One of the Best Farms in America
Posted on 5/29/11 at 9:59 pm to RhodeIslandRed
Posted on 5/29/11 at 9:59 pm to RhodeIslandRed
frick the poor!
More welfare to farmers!
More welfare to farmers!
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Posted on 5/29/11 at 10:12 pm to geauxskeet
Trust me, Geauxskeet, I am not misinformed. The Birds Point - New Madrid Floodway was built to save Cairo, and were it not for the subsequent construction of Kentucky and Barkley Lakes probably would have been used many more times than twice.
The fact is that the Mississippi River Commission plan for flood control did not include the BPNM Floodway. It called for the levees and flood wall protecting Cairo to be built to 70 feet. Ostensibly due to the cost Maj.Gen. Edgar Jadwin, Chief of Engineers, submitted his own plan that would create the floodway.
The liberal Northern Republicans that controlled Congress and the White House in 1928, sided with their own in Illinois and stuck it to the conservative Southern Democrats in Missouri. Therefore the Jadwin Plan was adopted.
The fact is that the Mississippi River Commission plan for flood control did not include the BPNM Floodway. It called for the levees and flood wall protecting Cairo to be built to 70 feet. Ostensibly due to the cost Maj.Gen. Edgar Jadwin, Chief of Engineers, submitted his own plan that would create the floodway.
The liberal Northern Republicans that controlled Congress and the White House in 1928, sided with their own in Illinois and stuck it to the conservative Southern Democrats in Missouri. Therefore the Jadwin Plan was adopted.
This post was edited on 5/29/11 at 11:28 pm
Posted on 5/29/11 at 11:05 pm to RhodeIslandRed
quote:
RhodeIslandRed
Actually they protected the farm every year but this one...............
Man, frick just one goat!
This post was edited on 5/29/11 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 5/29/11 at 11:16 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
Sid in Lakeshore
Let's consider the overall picture.
Do levees not protect Cairo, Illinois, or Baton Rouge and New Orleans? Of course they do and small populations of productive people should expect the same degree of protection. If there were no levees or USACE river control structures at all then the scouring shown in my original post would have never occurred, there would be a bayou flowing beside BR and NO, and Morgan City would have been washed into the Gulf of Mexico 20 years ago.
Obviously I support USACE projects. My point is that there are alternatives, several in fact, that could have prevented the need, either real or imagined, for the activation of the Birds Point - New Madrid Floodway.
This post was edited on 5/29/11 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 5/30/11 at 10:35 am to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:
Man, frick just one goat!
Posted on 6/2/11 at 9:05 am to Bard
Did they or did they not make a decision to flood productive farmland in order to save a very small, non-productive town?
If they had not done this, would those people have died or would they just have been relocated?
If they had not done this, would the flooding farther down the river been worse or was this just done to save Cairo with little effect for Memphis and points south (which is roughly how I heard it described on the news)?
Do the levees not also allow BR, NO, etc to flourish unflooded in the same way they allow this farmland to flourish without worrying about floods?
Regardless of what was done in the past and regardless of what the farmers should have known, this decision at this point in time seems to have been made poorly, unless you think it's right to purposely flood productive farmland in order to save what seems to be a ghost-town-in-waiting or unless blowing the levee was also done to save cities further south. The fact that the farm is in a natural flood plain is not relevant to whether this was the right decision.
This RIR guy seems to have pissed y'all off, but that's not relevant either.
If they had not done this, would those people have died or would they just have been relocated?
If they had not done this, would the flooding farther down the river been worse or was this just done to save Cairo with little effect for Memphis and points south (which is roughly how I heard it described on the news)?
Do the levees not also allow BR, NO, etc to flourish unflooded in the same way they allow this farmland to flourish without worrying about floods?
Regardless of what was done in the past and regardless of what the farmers should have known, this decision at this point in time seems to have been made poorly, unless you think it's right to purposely flood productive farmland in order to save what seems to be a ghost-town-in-waiting or unless blowing the levee was also done to save cities further south. The fact that the farm is in a natural flood plain is not relevant to whether this was the right decision.
This RIR guy seems to have pissed y'all off, but that's not relevant either.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 8:12 pm to uway
quote:
uway
Posted on 6/2/11 at 8:50 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Dude, we get it... You don't like farmers.
Tigah in the ATL
Posted on 6/3/11 at 1:41 pm to prostyleoffensetime
quote:I don't like propping them up.
You don't like farmers.
Posted on 6/3/11 at 7:30 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
I don't like propping them up.
No? I bet you like to buy and eat cheap food don't you?
If the USACE is to be believed and the components of the Mississippi River and Tributaries Act "operated as designed" then two small groups of farmers in Missouri and Louisiana made tremendous personal sacrifices that prevented the collapse of our national economy and the end of the United States as a major world trading power.
All Americans owe them. Now stop whining and pay up, bitch. Iron my shirt, fix me a sandwich and bring me a beer.
By the way; what do you do for a living, Tigah in ATL?
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 6/3/11 at 8:06 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Tigah in the ATL
You gonna let him call you a bitch and get away with it?
:smdh:
Posted on 6/3/11 at 9:10 pm to DollaChoppa
quote:
You gonna let him call you a bitch and get away with it?
Probably not. I expect him to hit me with a Tampex.
This post was edited on 6/3/11 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 1:21 pm to RhodeIslandRed
quote:Cheap food? STFU. I pay more for food because of subsidies.
No? I bet you like to buy and eat cheap food don't you?
I pay more for cheddar cheese
I pay more for sugar. This props up both the corn & sugar farmers.
I pay even more for corn due to a dozen different scams perpetrated by ag.
How far do I have to go?
Then I pay more in taxes to prop them all up.
"All Americans owe farmers." This debt is paid every time we buy food. You are apparently trying to oust teachers from their whiniest-profession perch.
quote:Wow. Internet tough guy. What a surprise.
Now stop whining and pay up, bitch
Posted on 6/5/11 at 3:19 pm to Tigah in the ATL
quote:
Tigah in the ATL
You should be pissed off at monsanto and tyson and all those cartels. Don't get pissed off at the farmers.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 3:24 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
You should be pissed off at monsanto and tyson and all those cartels. Don't get pissed off at the farmers.
So they are all taking subsidies and government handouts, yet only the corporations are guilty? Farmers shouldn't be getting handouts in any form or fashion and there simply is no way to defend taking them.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 3:28 pm to TigerDog83
quote:
TigerDog83
The cooperations have the farmers by the ballsack. They don't have a choice but to take them.
ETA: Talking about big time farmers. Not joe blow who sells a few cows every 6 months.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 3:31 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:
The cooperations have the farmers by the ballsack. They don't have a choice but to take them.
If someone can't make a living on the merits of their product/services/business model than they should simply find something else to do. This is true for farming as well. Farm subsidies should not exist.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 3:41 pm to TigerDog83
quote:
If someone can't make a living on the merits of their product/services/business model than they should simply find something else to do
It's hard to make a living on the merit of your corn. It's corn. The only way to earn merit is to produce a shite ton. The only way to produce a shite ton is to use the most modern badass shite, which you must get from these corperations and pay a boatload for it. You can't try to save seed to germinate your own crop because they'll blow you out the water on copyright infringement and ruin you. You gotta keep up with your neighbor because they won't buy your shite if you don't produce. You have to sell it to them, because it doesn't pay to sell it to someone else unless you live close to an independent coop, which you likely don't, because the cooperations bought them all out. It goes on and on. Those guys are just out there doing what they have to do.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 5:03 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:Then do something else.
Those guys are just out there doing what they have to do.
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