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Posted on 5/19/11 at 2:41 pm
Posted by Beachtiger
Bomba Shack
Member since Apr 2007
4132 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 2:41 pm
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Stalled out 1/2 mile above Natchez bridges for a little while. When she started moving I did 0.5 up to Natchez Beam light.


quote:

We are running light this trip. 10 loads and 18 mts. We usually have 15/22.


Posted by chickman1313
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2007
4922 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 2:45 pm to
so what does that mean for us non river captains?
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
24958 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 2:46 pm to
Means he is making less than one mile per hour headed up river with a load of empty barges.
Posted by chickman1313
Mandeville
Member since Dec 2007
4922 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 2:47 pm to
quote:

Means he is making less than one mile per hour headed up river with a load of empty barges.


damn, thats some strong arse current!
Posted by Big McLargeHuge
Member since Jun 2008
634 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 2:49 pm to
Good to hear. From what I understand, the faster the water moves, the less pressure on the levees.
Posted by Schwartz
Member since Nov 2006
27097 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

From what I understand, the faster the water moves, the less pressure on the levees.


I don't know much about fluid dynamics, but this doesn't sound right.
Posted by Big McLargeHuge
Member since Jun 2008
634 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:13 pm to
The slower the crest moves, the longer it's exerting pressure on the levees.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
15444 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

From what I understand, the faster the water moves, the less pressure on the levees.


maybe less amount of time with presure on the levees, but the hieght determines the amount of pressure. a gallon of water standing still weighs the same as a gallon moving.....
Posted by PaddlingTiger
St. Louis, MO
Member since Jun 2010
1066 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:17 pm to
It's Bernoulli's Principle, the faster a fluid moves the less pressure it exerts.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 3:18 pm
Posted by Big McLargeHuge
Member since Jun 2008
634 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 3:28 pm to
I'm going to go with what I read in Rising Tide over what I read on a message board.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17673 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:33 pm to
Velocity at the center of the channel is much higher than velocity at the edges.
Posted by Big McLargeHuge
Member since Jun 2008
634 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:37 pm to
That doesn't matter. What matters to me is that it's tougher than normal for him to get up stream and that the current us moving faster than usual. That is a good thing.
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14664 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

a gallon of water standing still weighs the same as a gallon moving.....

That's true but the moving water exerts less pressure. Doesn't matter though because the water right at the levee isn't really moving enough to make a difference. The real reason this is good is that we want the crest to come and go as quick as possible.
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17673 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

Doesn't matter though because the water right at the levee isn't really moving enough to make a difference.

This was my point.
quote:

The real reason this is good is that we want the crest to come and go as quick as possible.

True. But we already know that it won't. Our knowledge of some barge captain having trouble moving upstream doesn't change the fact that the models have the crest holding for several days.
Posted by Big McLargeHuge
Member since Jun 2008
634 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 5:13 pm to
It very well could be indicative of a crest that is speeding up moreso than the USACE anticipated. You're overthinking this a tad, IMO. ETA, high water season can increase the slope of the water by as much as 25%, with the water tumbling towards the gulf on top. This would make it a faster moving crest.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 5:15 pm
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14664 posts
Posted on 5/19/11 at 6:02 pm to
quote:

True. But we already know that it won't. Our knowledge of some barge captain having trouble moving upstream doesn't change the fact that the models have the crest holding for several days.

Yes, that's probably right.
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
Member since Nov 2007
4961 posts
Posted on 5/20/11 at 8:44 pm to
I was in Natchez watching tugs navigate upriver with loads of barges. They were sure churning up lots of water struggling to make headway but moving at a snail's pace against the strong current. Probably expending 3x more fuel than normal.

On the flip side, barges travelling downstream barely kicked up any white water behind them as they flew by at high speeds. The current was very fast, very strong. I took some vid, will try to post later.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8141 posts
Posted on 5/20/11 at 8:46 pm to
Tell him to run tighter on the bank.
Posted by LSU Tigerhead
Metairie
Member since Nov 2007
4961 posts
Posted on 5/20/11 at 8:52 pm to
Yeah, I noticed a few smart captains navigating extremely close to the bank, but there were quite a few who chose to fight the current in the middle of the river. Idiots. Current is strongest/fastest there.
Posted by Athanatos
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
8141 posts
Posted on 5/20/11 at 8:54 pm to
Northbound you have to get as tight as you can safely get. The lineboats usually don't worry so much bc they have so much power, but closer is faster. . . until you run aground.
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