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re: Which 2 WRs should I keep PPR
Posted on 7/15/15 at 12:59 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/15/15 at 12:59 pm to Lester Earl
Lester, I'm not arguing with your logic, but I'm still leaning toward Hilton over Hopkins. Even
Luck is going over 4000 yards and he'll need plenty of receivers to catch those balls. I think Hilton will improve in targets, catches, and TDs, though I would say his yardage probably won't increase, or if it does, it won't increase much.
quote:I think Hilton will excel. Luck will throw enough for two 1000+ wide outs.
with Andre Johnson
quote:Wouldn't surprise me if PD mostly serves as a kick returner this year. And I read this on CBS re Moncrief:
Phillip Dorsett being added to the corp
quote:And
When the Colts' season ended, it looked as if Donte Moncrief had a shot to get elevated into the starting lineup and see regular playing time. But that went right out the window as soon as the Colts signed Andre Johnson. It is believed that Moncrief will still play some from week to week but as a third receiver in an offense that prefers to typically use two tight ends. We wouldn't waste a pick on Moncrief unless it was with a late rounder. It will be hard to predict when he'll play well so long as Johnson and T.Y. Hilton are healthy.
quote:probably won't make much of difference. It's been a while since Gore was much of a factor in the passing game. That was really more Bradshaw's thing, and he's gone.
new addition Frank Gore
Luck is going over 4000 yards and he'll need plenty of receivers to catch those balls. I think Hilton will improve in targets, catches, and TDs, though I would say his yardage probably won't increase, or if it does, it won't increase much.
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Posted on 7/15/15 at 1:16 pm to wrlakers
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I think Hilton will excel. Luck will throw enough for two 1000+ wide outs.
I think Hilton could still get around 1000 yards or slightly over. But that isn't the question here, the question is he better than the other guys. He had 1300 yards last season. I can't see him matching that.
His career high in TDs is 7, and that is with far and away being the main target in the passing game.
If no one is injured, his targets are going to go down. Simple logic. Meaning his reception total will decrease, his yardage will likely decrease. His TDs, at best, are going to stay the same.
So maybe he catches 65 balls, for 1050 yards and 6-7TDs. Is that bad, no. Pretty good borderline WR2/WR3 in most leagues.
quote:
And I read this on CBS re Moncrief:
I know they do a lot of 2 TE, but Hakeem Nicks had 68 targets last year(he's gone). Moncrief had 50 on his own. They haven't exactly had a legit WR3 on that team. Nicks was meh, Wayne got hurt 2 years ago and was slowed down last year.
Yea, Hilton could take some of those targets vacated by Nicks, but it's not like they don't play a 3rd WR. Moncrief is very talented, and chances are they realize this and go to more 3 WR. I could see Moncrief having upward of 100 targets.
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Luck is going over 4000 yards and he'll need plenty of receivers to catch those balls. I think Hilton will improve in targets, catches, and TDs, though I would say his yardage probably won't increase, or if it does, it won't increase much.
I think Hilton is a top 20 WR, but more of a high end WR2 then a WR1. Im taking Hopkins over him and probably Evans too.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:27 pm to dj30
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Also Andre should direct some attention away from TY which I believe will be a good thing. And TY has Luck throwing to him.
This is where I'm leaning. AJ80 actually helps free up more targets for TY. Especially how throw happy this league is.
As far as Moncrief, he's unproven. You can't project a big year bc of glimpses of potential he showed last year. Kinda like how people were trying to predict AAron Dobson being the man last year in NE bc of a few glimpses.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:32 pm to Gtothemoney
Also TY should direct some attention away from AJ80 which I believe will be a good thing. And AJ80 has Luck throwing to him.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:42 pm to GynoSandberg
I love Andre. TY and Luck have already built a rapport in Indy. That means a lot, IMO.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:44 pm to Gtothemoney
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AJ80 actually helps free up more targets for TY.
I don't get how adding a guy who is going to get 100+ targets frees up more targets for TY.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:46 pm to Toula
You can't roll coverages to everyone.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 3:49 pm to Toula
I'm also not sure how Moncrief, Allen, Fleener, and Gore are irrelevant
They could each seemingly nab ~50 balls a piece
They could each seemingly nab ~50 balls a piece
Posted on 7/15/15 at 4:27 pm to Lester Earl
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come on baw, you act like no WR has ever gone off without a star QB.
I agree, but at the same time, mediocre qb play has also killed wrs value in the past also. I like Hopkins, but If it was me, I'll rather play it safe and go with TY.
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They could be a lot like those Saint offenses where they spread it around.
Even with spreading it around, the person who was the man always got his stats. When Colston was the man, he got his stats. When Jimmy was the man, he got his stats. TY is the man and he will get his stats.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 4:33 pm to GynoSandberg
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They could each seemingly nab ~50 balls a piece
TY, Wayne, Bradshaw and Fleener all went over 50 last year and the only reason Nicks didn't get 50 was because he sucked. There are plenty of balls to go around in that offense.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 4:59 pm to dj30
I dont think anyone will tell you there arent plenty of balls to go around in that offense. Id also no one is knocking TY Hilton as a player.
He caught 82 balls last season. TEs and RBs are ate up 40% of the receptions on that team last season. That should tick up. AJ80 will blow Wayne's 64 receptions out the water if he's healthy. Moncrief wont go ballastic, but he has a size/speed combo that no one else in that WR corps has. Surely he will see an uptick on his 32 receptions.
Also need to factor in Gore and the fact that they may run more than they did with Bradshaw/Herron.
I think 82 balls for Hilton could be the ceiling? Is that crazy to assume?
Whereas I see Nuke's 76 as more of a floor. Hoyer was terrible last season on a crap team last season, but he did make Josh Gordon a stud. Mallet has a huge arm and Nuke rivals the big play potential that Hilton has.
And people are hugely discounting Evans and how much of a stud he is. You can almost pencil in 10 TDs. People will say Jameis Winston blah blah blah but he is already better than the QBs they had last year. Again, I have to look at 68/1,051 as more of a floor for Evans.
In this scenario, you can probably say Hilton is "safer", but safer never won a title. It's the breakout guys that will win it for ya, as Im sure a player of your pedigree knows. If you are keeping two and you still have the opportunity to build your team as you see fit, keep Cobb, and then Id swing for the fence with Hopkins (who has zero competition) or Evans (who is just a freak playmaker). If it goes sour, worst case scenario is Hilton, Hopkins, and Evans are pretty close when the season ends.
He caught 82 balls last season. TEs and RBs are ate up 40% of the receptions on that team last season. That should tick up. AJ80 will blow Wayne's 64 receptions out the water if he's healthy. Moncrief wont go ballastic, but he has a size/speed combo that no one else in that WR corps has. Surely he will see an uptick on his 32 receptions.
Also need to factor in Gore and the fact that they may run more than they did with Bradshaw/Herron.
I think 82 balls for Hilton could be the ceiling? Is that crazy to assume?
Whereas I see Nuke's 76 as more of a floor. Hoyer was terrible last season on a crap team last season, but he did make Josh Gordon a stud. Mallet has a huge arm and Nuke rivals the big play potential that Hilton has.
And people are hugely discounting Evans and how much of a stud he is. You can almost pencil in 10 TDs. People will say Jameis Winston blah blah blah but he is already better than the QBs they had last year. Again, I have to look at 68/1,051 as more of a floor for Evans.
In this scenario, you can probably say Hilton is "safer", but safer never won a title. It's the breakout guys that will win it for ya, as Im sure a player of your pedigree knows. If you are keeping two and you still have the opportunity to build your team as you see fit, keep Cobb, and then Id swing for the fence with Hopkins (who has zero competition) or Evans (who is just a freak playmaker). If it goes sour, worst case scenario is Hilton, Hopkins, and Evans are pretty close when the season ends.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:07 pm to GynoSandberg
That's a good post.
I hate commenting in these threads until after my drafts.
DJ, G$ and OMT just got learned and they are in TDFL
This post was edited on 7/15/15 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:09 pm to Toula
When did I miss the whole 'nuke' thing?
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:09 pm to GynoSandberg
it's funny to me when people go all out, concrete, no doubt X is the answer over Y without consideration, THIS IS IT sorry no other options are viable
to lend a little clarity, from matthew berry's top 200
yeah berry sucks, that's fine, hit me with your top 200 and we will analyze it k
25. Randy Cobb
28. Mike Evans
33. TY Hilton*
38. Deandre Hopkins
*Also worth noting, Frank Gore (will be biggest value RB this year) at 29, Andre Johnson at 35. Let's just say there was not two top 35 fantasy players next to Hilton last season.
just some food for thought more than anything
to lend a little clarity, from matthew berry's top 200
yeah berry sucks, that's fine, hit me with your top 200 and we will analyze it k
25. Randy Cobb
28. Mike Evans
33. TY Hilton*
38. Deandre Hopkins
*Also worth noting, Frank Gore (will be biggest value RB this year) at 29, Andre Johnson at 35. Let's just say there was not two top 35 fantasy players next to Hilton last season.
just some food for thought more than anything
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:11 pm to Toula
quote:
I hate commenting in these threads until after my drafts.
i was just telling myself today that i was going to stay out of these threads all season
back to lurking
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:13 pm to GynoSandberg
well said. I love Evans too, a blossoming stud. I just can't get as high as on Hopkins with Hoyer. We will see.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:18 pm to GynoSandberg
It is hard to always lurk when you have opinions on these dudes. I try to keep a couple to my chest, but I usually blow my load and reveal a few of my favorites.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:21 pm to Gtothemoney
Re: hoyer
I don't think he's as good as he was in 2013, nor do I think he's as bad as he was in 2014. I will say that HOU is put together a tad better than CLE, and that bill o'brien has coached him before.
B o' B also had Mallet in NE. They traded for him and ultimately resigned him. So he very well could be the guy, too.
I don't think HOU QB is as dire as it seems
I don't think he's as good as he was in 2013, nor do I think he's as bad as he was in 2014. I will say that HOU is put together a tad better than CLE, and that bill o'brien has coached him before.
B o' B also had Mallet in NE. They traded for him and ultimately resigned him. So he very well could be the guy, too.
I don't think HOU QB is as dire as it seems
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:25 pm to GynoSandberg
Post about dudes you like/don't like all day. It's good info to share 
Just don't teach these dudes how to think and analyze value.
Just don't teach these dudes how to think and analyze value.
Posted on 7/15/15 at 5:26 pm to Gtothemoney
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As far as Moncrief, he's unproven. You can't project a big year bc of glimpses of potential he showed last year. Kinda like how people were trying to predict AAron Dobson being the man last year in NE bc of a few glimpses
You can't predict that an insanely talented WR will get better in his 2nd year?
C'monnnnnnnnnnnnn
Keep in mind what the guy below did in his 2nd year.
quote:
I just can't get as high as on Hopkins with Hoyer
dude he caught 76 balls from Fitzpatrick, Keenum and Mallet last year. WITH andre johnson!
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