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re: TDBL...Winter Meetings Check In

Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:53 pm to
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 12/26/16 at 5:53 pm to
You would prob defend not setting lineups in the same fashion. Freedom of that individual to do as these please and whatnot, yes?

I dont expect a perpetually absentee owner to understand trying to improve the league bc you generally DGAF enough to care the majority of the time
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 6:40 pm to
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You would prob defend not setting lineups in the same fashion. Freedom of that individual to do as these please and whatnot, yes?

I dont expect a perpetually absentee owner to understand trying to improve the league bc you generally DGAF enough to care the majority of the time


You seriously don't understand the difference between setting lineups and not everyone ascribing the same value to picks as you?
This post was edited on 12/26/16 at 7:01 pm
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:06 pm to
choices of free individuals, baw

are you interested in improving the league? start with setting your lineups, it's more egregious than the draft pick thing. If you can stay engaged for a full season I wont say shite about the draft pick trading
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:12 pm to
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are you interested in improving the league? start with setting your lineups, it's more egregious than the draft pick thing. If you can stay engaged for a full season I wont say shite about the draft pick trading


So you can't formulate an argument for your position.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 7:18 pm to
Wat

Ive argued for 3 pages if you're interested in my argument

Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:35 pm to
What's your argument beyond "I don't agree with the valuations so I want to make a rule so everyone values it like me"?
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 8:54 pm to
Nah, that's where you're mistaken. This isn't about me, this was an attempt to better the league. Im not trying to make a rule, I was just offering a suggestion. Everyone else is content in playing this thing out in it's current format, and that's perfectly fine.

Leagues like this one that are losing interest never survive without tweaks. That's a shame bc this league was once fun when there were actual owners who wouldnt give away two top 10 players for a draft pick. It wasn't a concern 5 years ago
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:02 pm to
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Leagues like this one that are losing interest never survive without tweaks. That's a shame bc this league was once fun when there were actual owners who wouldnt give away two top 10 players for a draft pick. It wasn't a concern 5 years ago


In about 10 yrs that's maybe happened once. The real reason this league somewhat stagnated was tbm pushing for 12 keepers in the first year because you had good teams made up of old players. Very shortsighted but it placed this league in a sort of limbo between keeper and dynasty. Trading has never been an issue.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/26/16 at 9:25 pm to
i didn't join this league until a few years in, so I inherited whatever team I had and certainly didnt draft it. Dont ever remember having an opinion on the number of keepers, one way or another. i think your blame is misguided
Posted by kd1036
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2015
406 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 3:00 am to
Happy Winter Meetings!! The fact everyone is chiming in shows this league isn't dead....a late Merry Xmas everyone and just remember. ...pitchers and catchers report to Spring Training right around the corner
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50344 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:19 am to
Fantasy football is over and TBM is arguing with someone.




Baseball season is almost upon us.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 9:49 am to
Bb I think your criticism is misguided. It always about making the league bettter

Go head and find a better owner to take my spot
Posted by gadknot
Reality
Member since Jul 2005
37306 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:41 am to
I'm still waiting for the solution
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 10:58 am to
New ownership
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:31 am to
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It always about making the league bettter


I don't see how limiting trading, which isn't an issue, makes this league better.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 11:56 am to
Draft pick trading *

It's something that holds too much weight and can really affect a season

You can build a nice team through the draft, player trades, prospect mining and it can all go out the window when another team drops a pick to add multiple top 10 players.

In a perfect TDBL of yesteryear, these guys were grabbing a closer, a 3rd or 4th SP etc late in the year for modest picks. Tidying up there rosters, great. You're giving a pick up for guys who aren't getting kept. It's helping the team contending bc they are getting a piece to help and rewarding the team selling, bc they are getting a modest return

You can go back and check trades over the last three year. Just last season Blackmon, Ortiz, Abreu were all dealt for nothing. You guys think it's an outlier, but it's becoming a trend
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54752 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:04 pm to
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You can go back and check trades over the last three year. Just last season Blackmon, Ortiz, Abreu were all dealt for nothing. You guys think it's an outlier, but it's becoming a trend


You're going to have to present more evidence. Because this league exists in limbo between dynasty and keeper one of the best ways to build a long term contender is through the draft. Maybe holding on to a 40 yr old Ortiz doesn't make much sense for a shitty team but getting some value in a draft pick trade does. Same for the other guys. You can't just throw names around without context. If the trades were really egregious they would've been reversed which has happened before in TD leagues.
Posted by GynoSandberg
Member since Jan 2006
72010 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 12:19 pm to
It was Ortiz and Blackmon for a 1. It was egregorious at the time, only a few noticed bc everyone was checked out

They were the 10th and 11th best hitters last season. Blackmon himself was a near 30/30 guy w 100+ R and 29 y/o. Yea Ortiz was retiring but he just can't be a 79/38/127 throw in with a guy who's already a top 10 player

They evidence is there, I've already looked back. I would be a nice case but I'm obviously in the monitory and I'm tired of going bsck and forth about it
Posted by gadknot
Reality
Member since Jul 2005
37306 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 1:00 pm to
New ownership I would agree with. But I can't just kick people out because I don't agree with their trades
Posted by gadknot
Reality
Member since Jul 2005
37306 posts
Posted on 12/27/16 at 1:02 pm to
I agree it was an awful trade but I'm against changing rules just to save owners from themselves. If we do that then you are limiting responsible owners from using a tool to better their team
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