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re: TDBBL Voting Referendums

Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:10 am to
Posted by gadknot
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:10 am to
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And before anyone says that I'm against change because I use the current system to my advantage, keep in mind that when I took over Stout's team, it was a bucket of shite. I sucked for one year, was competitive the next year, and then won the league the following year before making to the finals again the next year. I didn't do this whole "suck for a year, be awesome for a year, then suck for a year" program. I try to win every year and will continue to do so. I'm not a fan of throwing money away in the hopes of getting it back two years later.


That is the good part about this league, you have hope for next year when you suck one year. After april the last two years since I won TDBL I pretty much have logged in the website to set a lineup. So much fun
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:13 am to
Or, we just act like adults and have a zero tolerance policy for people that check out. No offense to Karma personally, but he should have gotten a swift kick in the arse and shown the door for what he did last year. This whole "that was a one-time thing and will never happen again" just doesn't fly with me. He's one of the main reasons that we are having this conversation, and yet he is allowed to stay, and now is even leading discussions and starting threads? How long does that last? I'm going to guess until about Week 4 or until he moves to another country, whichever comes first.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:14 am to
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or maybe no one else has a problem


lol ok. If there is any team that needs to go into tanke mode this year, it's mine.



Posted by reddman
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:15 am to
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After april the last two years since I won TDBL I pretty much have logged in the website to set a lineup. So much fun



This is off-topic and for another thread, but you pretty much did that to yourself, no? Nothing in the rules made you have a shitty team after winning a title.

Posted by rondo
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:17 am to
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lol ok. If there is any team that needs to go into tanke mode this year, it's mine.



I think you can still compete while acquiring assets for the next season...By you I mean the universal you.
Posted by gadknot
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:20 am to
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Nothing in the rules made you have a shitty team after winning a title.


Never said it did and never complained about blowing up the league because I along with 3-4 other teams don't have a chance to compete for a 3-5 year period if we are lucky.

I traded some young assets to get people to win that year. Those people got old now I have to sit and wait until young people get called up. So I along with other teams have to load up our roster with minor leaguers and young guys who don't play. At least in the basketball league we are all rostering people that make some sort of contribution
Posted by gadknot
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:21 am to
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lol ok.


??? you and maybe Toula are the only ones that have had any heartburn over changing the league no?
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:23 am to
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I traded some young assets to get people to win that year. Those people got old now I have to sit and wait until young people get called up. So I along with other teams have to load up our roster with minor leaguers and young guys who don't play. At least in the basketball league we are all rostering people that make some sort of contribution




I understand what you are saying. That being said, you could have gone a completely different route, and kept those old players and still made the playoffs more than likely. There's no point in me rebuilding in that league when my 38-40 year olds will lead me to the playoffs every year because so many owners are prospect hounds, which is a practice that really hasn't proven to work in the entire history of the league. Sure, Earl is in the finals this year, but it took him EIGHT years.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 11:45 am to
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No offense to Karma personally, but he should have gotten a swift kick in the arse and shown the door for what he did last year.

well anyone who does that again will be dealt with

we can lower the voting threshold to kick out owners if they don't make the playoffs in 2 years. like something real low like 4 votes

if somebody doesn't set their lineups, we can have an emergency vote to lock them out and set the lineups until the end of the year

i thought the issue that started this discussion was started with deadline deals where really good players get dealt for 5th/6th round picks
Posted by MattyV
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:00 pm to
Kicking someone out of league because they don't make the playoffs is a bullshite move IMO. Injuries happen and can wreck a season. The real issue is what Karma did last year. I agree with Redd that we should have zero tolerance on that issue. Playoff seedlings usually come down to the last couple of weeks so when a owner checks out with 2 months left they are screwing the whole league and making it luck of the draw to which owner gets that team the last week.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:08 pm to
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Kicking someone out of league because they don't make the playoffs is a bullshite move IMO.

i said we'd lower the voting threshold

that doesn't mean an auto-ejection. we're trying to incentive teams to want to make that last spot

nobody's going to get kicked out if they try hard and barely miss 2 years in a row, or if a rose/george happens in midseason to derail them

but if you're slumming in the bottom 2, 2 years in a row, you're going to have to answer some questions

injuries can be an excuse, but it only goes so far. 2 years ago when i made the finals, i was fricking ROCKED by injuries over and over again. i had to COMPLETELY rebuild my team in midseason b/c i had built it one day and then that was destroyed when rondo tore up his knee

and i even suffered a late injury to tony parker and had him on the bench until like he 2nd round or finals of the playoffs

i mean i even dealt like a 5th for scrub amare for depth and then he promptly got hurt the next week
This post was edited on 9/18/14 at 12:10 pm
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:14 pm to
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No 1 team has been in the playoffs for all of the last 3 years.


False. I've been in the playoffs all last three years.
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:17 pm to
My only issue is the pick trades. I'll say it again- it's too easy for a team to sell picks for players in season, then turn around and recoup them back in the offseason. Essentially it's renting players and them turning them back in for your money back. It lacks strategy and takes away from the competitiveness IMO
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:19 pm to
well that market changes, too

that used to be a LOT easier. karma was the king of it. picks are now seen as much more valuable in the offseason

i mean look at this offseason. there hasn't been too much movement selling back picks and we're a month away from the draft
Posted by Toula
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:22 pm to
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My only issue is the pick trades. I'll say it again- it's too easy for a team to sell picks for players in season, then turn around and recoup them back in the offseason. Essentially it's renting players and them turning them back in for your money back. It lacks strategy and takes away from the competitiveness IMO


This is my main reason for reform. Rebuilding takes zero strategy. It's obtaining as many picks as possible and consolidating into stud keepers. There's zero strategy.

The draft is essentially meaningless for the most part. As long as someone has 3-4 stud keepers, they can trade the following years picks and upgrade 4-5 players.

My biggest issue the last few years is the amount of sellers sending players for 1 round pick swaps.
Posted by reddman
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:23 pm to
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My only issue is the pick trades. I'll say it again- it's too easy for a team to sell picks for players in season, then turn around and recoup them back in the offseason. Essentially it's renting players and them turning them back in for your money back. It lacks strategy and takes away from the competitiveness IMO


See, I know you are referring to me, since you brought my team up in an earlier thread, and this isn't at all what I did. I acquired Lowry for a 3rd round pick EARLY in the year, when his value was in question. I also traded a 4th round pick for Robin Lopez, who I won't be keeping and I won't be trading. I traded Beal (who I acquired with Blake Griffin in the Chris Paul deal) for a 4th round pick this year.

Those were the only picks I moved. The only reason I was able to recoop picks this offseason is because I moved two HUGE pieces in Harden and Paul, thus giving me a surplus of keepable players.

Its not like i traded away a ton of picks for players and then swapped them back for the same picks in the offseason.

Posted by Toula
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:23 pm to
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No offense to Karma personally, but he should have gotten a swift kick in the arse and shown the door for what he did last year. This whole "that was a one-time thing and will never happen again" just doesn't fly with me


I've been saying this since the first week he did that shite. I guess hippy is now a protected class.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:25 pm to
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The draft is essentially meaningless for the most part. As long as someone has 3-4 stud keepers, they can trade the following years picks and upgrade 4-5 players.

My biggest issue the last few years is the amount of sellers sending players for 1 round pick swaps.

that's why i suggested the "keeper" rule
Posted by GynoSandberg
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:26 pm to
Honestly, i wasnt referring to anybody. I dont even remember who did what.

Maybe at the time it was you, i dont remember. But it's not like it has only happened once. shite, i did it myself two offseasons ago. I think i trade away my top 5 picks and got them all back in the offseason.
Posted by gadknot
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Posted on 9/18/14 at 12:31 pm to
I'm dangling two top 30 players out for draft picks and no one is biting. Id say recouping draft picks is not as easy as gyno suggests
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