re: TDBBL - SOTU - Referendum #1: League Structure Vote

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Roster size

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i think in the interest of continuity and with so much change already happening, let's keep the categories and roster size the same. let's let the players at least have the constant of what we know players to be.

so 15 players, our same 8 categories. plus an injury reserve spot.

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Players we can sign extensions- how many, and what is the penalty? Still want this to be primarily a redraft but if you hit on someone low, you can be rewarded. Matt had a good idea. Say you paid 10.00 for someone and want to sign them to anot extension...1st year of ext, they cost 15. The next, 21 and the last 28.

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i think you can sign a MAX of three FRANCHISE players to extensions, each for a maximum of three years kept. that's 1/5th the team. 80% of rosters turning over every year.

i think the penalty for re-signing shouldn't be too steep. a year increase etc. mostly people are going for people they really like. additionally, if you really love a player and you want to keep him, and he has a down year, you shouldn't have to pay too much to keep him the next year even if his value has decreased.

i think maybe the solution is:
$3 bump year if you lock him up longterm, sign ($3 signing bonus-no carryover cap cost), year 2 $6, year 3 $9 year deal.
$5 bumps if you want to re-sign him from year to year. Year one, normal cost, second year $10, third year $15
Penalty for cutting bait on a long-term deal? double the number of year to year signings, inversely from years remaining. one year left $10, two years left $20, three years $30

additionally, if one of these players is traded, they are only available at that price for the number of years left on the contract. so if you make a trade, you're gonna have to see if a) you have enough franchise player slots available and b) weigh whether or not you want to "rent" that player for only another couple of years.

for instance if rondo has 3 franchise players signed already. if he trades for another franchise player signed, he's going to have to move one, or drop one and pay the penalty. this encourages trading. some owners will either make the trade for the desirable player, or rondo will be forced to pay the luxury tax when he drops one of his other contracts. it also encourages flexibility. it will be a gamble to declare all three franchise players or keep slots open in case someone needs a willing trade partner.

additionally, the price of the traded player rolls over to the new owner. KD starts at $35 on a three year escalating deal is traded. the new owner will have to pay the signed price, not the adjusted yearly value of KD. so if it's a second year KD on a 3 year deal, he's at $38.

if he's second year and was re-signed year to year he'd be at $45

additionally, i think you give the player the option to additionally re-sign them for the remaining two years of their ownership at the $6, $9 escalating rate. like signing an extension with a new team, but they have to declare that right away, otherwise it goes yearly.

i like this because it mimics the nba payroll. additionally, it will encourage three way trades to accommodate these roster limitations. this is super fun.

don't forget rmcc. i think he's expressed interest in re-joining

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don't get too complex just because it sounds interesting or b/c there is an option for it. there's no need

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Agreed

i get that contracts seems cool, but it's really adding a layer of complexity and potential rage-quit fuel. if you make the cost punitive enough each year, it will work itself out and the players go back into the pool in a year or 2. i mean a 5-6% of the cap increase means that in year 2 that player's addition alone is 10-12% of the cap (ignoring what was originally paid, which will add another 1-5%). that's superstar-level value and then in year 3 it's an expensive arse superstar

in my irl auction FFB league, you don't have to spend all of your cap either, which will facilitate trading later (b/c you have more trading options due to the ability to "take back" more salary). in that league you actually don't have free agency and there are 3-4 pre-determined drafts for un-selected players, and you have to either use your cap room or drop players to sign new ones. i'm not really pushing for there here, but if we do "salary for salary" we have to figure out how to value FA pickups

i will say this. the pre-determined FA drafting does force people to stay active in the league

Or you can't keep/contract UFAs. Only players you drafted in the auction draft. Purpose of keepers is to reward owner for drafting a guy at a value.

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Or you can't keep/contract UFAs. Only players you drafted in the auction draft. Purpose of keepers is to reward owner for drafting a guy at a value.

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What about trades re keeping someone you traded for?

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Expand rosters, reduce game played limit, allow add/drops once a week = no streaming gents.

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fap

I like all of that, esp waivers once a week. Set it during the morning and give us something else to talk about.

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whats the deal with this? Why are you so geeked up to do this?

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Because I think 14 would be a good #. That's what we have in the other league. Makes it a bit more challenging but doesn't drain the player pool. 14 seems like a good number.

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let's just stay focused and figure out the rules.

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There have been like 3 people talking the entire morning, mainly me. Thanks for the reminder to stay focused though.