It has to be the defensive scheme right?

How many defensive coordinators do we have to run through for you people to realize that we are just completely devoid of talent on that side of the ball?

Gregg Williams - Steve Spagnuolo - Rob Ryan - Dennis Allen

The results have been the same every year.

However, I will admit that because our personnel is so bad Allen seems to coach scared. Example, playing a 10-15 yard cushion on a RB/FB split out wide on 1st&10. It's like he's conceding 5 yards on 1st down and just hoping to get to 3rd down. Problem is teams know exactly where to attack us on 3rd downs and without a pass rush, it becomes way too easy to convert on this team.

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How many defensive coordinators do we have to run through for you people to realize that we are just completely devoid of talent on that side of the ball?

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It's easy to say this, but there is some evidence to support this is not right.

Several of our defensive players have left and been decent elsewhere. Recent examples: Malcolm Jenkins, Akiem Hicks, Patrick Robinson.

Somehow, unbelievably, this team has replicated or surpassed the "worst defense of all times" several times despite changing the players up. We have 7 new starters on defense this year. Are you telling me that somehow the Saints have found the worst group of defenders of all time more than once in the same 5 year span? I just don't buy it.

To me this is similar to the Les Miles offensive conundrum. LSU's offense looked the same despite a ton of different coordinators. Why? Because Les Miles was meddling in the offense.

I will give Gregg Williams a bit of credit because he knew his team was outmatched and went all out over-aggressive. It worked out sometimes (2009) but eventually led to his demise in (2010 & 2011).

Three different DC. and three different schemes, with revolving doors. What remains the constant?

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I will give Gregg Williams a bit of credit because he knew his team was outmatched and went all out over-aggressive. It worked out sometimes (2009) but eventually led to his demise in (2010 & 2011).

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If Marcus Williams continues to look like he can be an impact turnover-creator then I think this might work for us again honestly

Definitely scheme as you can see the SAME EXACT issues from when Allen arrived in 2015 to right now, despite having different players every year.

And people want to blame lack of pass rush, but when you are letting guys run free in big open zones and giving up all the underneath stuff your rush isn't going to have time to get home.

And then the zone blitzes are even worse because they are too telegraphed and again leave even bigger holes in those zones.

And you can try to call Ryan bad but the fact is he turned the "worst defense of all time" around in one year to be the 4th best defense of that year with largely the same players.

Then Payton decides he wants the Seahawks defense the next year and brings in Byrd to be Earl Thomas and tells Ryan what scheme to run.

Then when that failed Payton brought back his buddy Allen to run the secondary, and they somehow got worse from 2014, yet Ryan gets the boot and Allen gets promoted.

Then last year you saw the same issues from 2016 and that you are seeing now.

Allen is the issue, and Payton is too. He should have left Ryan alone and not cut all of our defensive leaders (Smith, Vilma, Harper, and Jenkins) all in one off season. At the least you keep one of those guys for continuity. It's been downhill since that point.

We have 3 Rookies starting this year, one of our best DLineman is done for the year with a bad heart, and we have two guys that were backups being used as starters, any D.C. Would struggle.



Having said that, I still believe Allen is a hack

We have changed so many players that it's not them. It's the coaching and hiring bad coordinators who cannot use our players the right way.

We get different players each year, and the same results continue to happen.

I think we have done a terrible job at drafting talent. We were running a 4-3 scheme, and then switched to a 3-4 with 4-3 talent.

Started drafting 3-4 talent, only to switch back to a 4-3.

Draft man corners only to play them in zone or zone corners and play them in man....

Acquire nickel DB's and try to have them as our starting CB.....

We are just in a stupid holding pattern right now, and can't land!