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This is why the Nissan UAW vote has some people nervous
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:31 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:31 am
Seems that about 1,500 of the 6,500 workers were hired through a contractor, yet will have the same vote as those hired directly by Nissan.
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A bid by workers at Mississippi’s Nissan Motor Co. plant for United Auto Workers representation could turn on a key voting bloc — 1,500 workers who are Nissan employees today, but were initially hired through contract labor agencies.
Those workers say they make less than longtime Nissan employees and have worse benefits, and UAW supporters say that’s a disparity they’d like to address through contract negotiations.
“I think it’s very unfair because we’re doing the same job,” said Shanta Butler, a union supporter who started as a contract worker at Nissan in April 2014. “I think we should be gradually allowed to make our way up to what they’re making.”
Nissan, for its part, refuses to discuss specific wage and benefit levels.
Unfortunately, the people who seem to know what this could mean are ineligible to vote:
Bailey said that joining Nissan’s payroll was great “morale-wise.” Because she’s a manager, she can’t vote in the election, although she opposes the UAW.
“I can put food on my table without worrying about having to pay my light bill,” she said, saying her family’s economic security is much improved.
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A bid by workers at Mississippi’s Nissan Motor Co. plant for United Auto Workers representation could turn on a key voting bloc — 1,500 workers who are Nissan employees today, but were initially hired through contract labor agencies.
Those workers say they make less than longtime Nissan employees and have worse benefits, and UAW supporters say that’s a disparity they’d like to address through contract negotiations.
“I think it’s very unfair because we’re doing the same job,” said Shanta Butler, a union supporter who started as a contract worker at Nissan in April 2014. “I think we should be gradually allowed to make our way up to what they’re making.”
Nissan, for its part, refuses to discuss specific wage and benefit levels.
Unfortunately, the people who seem to know what this could mean are ineligible to vote:
Bailey said that joining Nissan’s payroll was great “morale-wise.” Because she’s a manager, she can’t vote in the election, although she opposes the UAW.
“I can put food on my table without worrying about having to pay my light bill,” she said, saying her family’s economic security is much improved.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:32 am to anc
quote:
A bid by workers at Mississippi’s Nissan Motor Co. plant for United Auto Workers representation could turn on a key voting bloc — 1,500 workers who are Nissan employees today, but were initially hired through contract labor agencies.
Those workers say they make less than longtime Nissan employees and have worse benefits, and UAW supporters say that’s a disparity they’d like to address through contract negotiations.
So, the solution is to basically vote EVERYONE out of a job? Brilliance.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:33 am to anc
quote:Do these people not understand the concept of performance raises? Someone who has been doing the job longer is (typically) going to be making more money. That's just how it works.
“I think it’s very unfair because we’re doing the same job,”
Unions suck...
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:38 am to FooManChoo
i said in another thread:
doesn't really make sense to actually join the union and pay the dues since MS is a right to work state, you can still get the same benefits w/o having to pay for union membership
doesn't really make sense to actually join the union and pay the dues since MS is a right to work state, you can still get the same benefits w/o having to pay for union membership
Posted on 7/25/17 at 10:39 am to FooManChoo
quote:
Do these people not understand the concept of performance raises? Someone who has been doing the job longer is (typically) going to be making more money. That's just how it works.
Unions suck...
everyone is equal..... didnt you get the memo... we cant have someone with more experience, education, or performance make more then someone with less experience, education, or skill....
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:28 am to anc
Posted on 7/25/17 at 11:53 am to anc
I bet shanta good worker so she wants Union protection
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:43 pm to anc
Idiots. Nissan won't do a thing that increases their cost in any significant way that hampers their competitiveness with the Detroit car makers. Then the employees will be stuck with a choice to go on strike or just be pissed off still.
And Nissan will meanwhile be planning to move production to Mexico or Tennessee. You want to know why Mississippi sucks arse - this kind of shite is why.
But hey - they gonna go show massa a thing or two with this union thing.
And Nissan will meanwhile be planning to move production to Mexico or Tennessee. You want to know why Mississippi sucks arse - this kind of shite is why.
But hey - they gonna go show massa a thing or two with this union thing.
This post was edited on 7/25/17 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:57 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Unions suck...
Truth
Posted on 7/25/17 at 12:58 pm to Pax Regis
Didn't Nissan already say that they would leave if this is a "yes" vote?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:01 pm to Scruffy
they said that, but they probably won't actually do it.
Ultimately the union will go too far, but I doubt this first action will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Ultimately the union will go too far, but I doubt this first action will be the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:26 pm to Scruffy
quote:
Didn't Nissan already say that they would leave if this is a "yes" vote?
Doubt it. A clear threat to close the plant would be illegal. But that doesn't mean they won't do it over time if the workers vote the UAW in. Hell I would. I would not be held hostage by my own employees who have no capital investment in the bottom line. frick that. I'd learn to speak espanol before that bullshite.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:42 pm to Pax Regis
If they vote for union, then Nissan has only itself to blame. I mean if people are paid fairly and believe they are treated fairly they will vote no.
Union or non-Union Nissan will go to Mexico in about 20 years anyways.
Union or non-Union Nissan will go to Mexico in about 20 years anyways.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:44 pm to anc
This thread needs one of Zach's UAW stories.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 1:45 pm to TrueTiger
quote:
This thread needs one of Zach's UAW stories.
Funny how Zach got a good job with higher than average wages and benefits with via the UAW.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:41 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
Did he bump some poor junior seniority UAW guy to get it?
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:44 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:
If they vote for union, then Nissan has only itself to blame. I mean if people are paid fairly and believe they are treated fairly they will vote no.
You are hard pressed to find anyone bitching about pay or treatment in Canton.
But the UAW will come in with promises of more $$$ and less work, and natural lazy fricking human impulse kicks in.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 4:48 pm to anc
It is interesting how often that model happens.
Influx of temp/contract employees who are union supporters/cry for same treatment as permanents and incite discontent and union support among permanents.
My place of employment narrowly avoided becoming unionized under similar circumstances last year.
Influx of temp/contract employees who are union supporters/cry for same treatment as permanents and incite discontent and union support among permanents.
My place of employment narrowly avoided becoming unionized under similar circumstances last year.
Posted on 7/25/17 at 5:31 pm to Volvagia
Temps are basically there as a layoff buffer. If the shite hits the fan they can just be sent home no muss no fuss.
It's the modern manufacturing model. UAW ain't gonna change that despite all their bullshite talk.
It's the modern manufacturing model. UAW ain't gonna change that despite all their bullshite talk.
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