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Does football even need a coach to beat Saban in regular season?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:07 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:07 am
It seems if LSU would just win the games that they should that even with a Bama loss they could finish consistently with a 10-2 or an 11-1 regular season record. Seeing how the teams are playing this year, with strength of schedule factored in, it seems like the team would always be a playoff contender given the new system with a record like that.
Point being, Saban is really hard to beat, so solely hiring a coach in the hopes of beating him may be doing it wrong. Why not just hire a guy that can ensure that LSU wins the games that they are supposed to? It seems that every year hinges on beating Alabama knowing that there will be more losses. If there was the knowing that they would maybe/maybe not meet in playoffs based on seeding, it would take a lot of pressure off this one game in determining the whole year.
Point being, Saban is really hard to beat, so solely hiring a coach in the hopes of beating him may be doing it wrong. Why not just hire a guy that can ensure that LSU wins the games that they are supposed to? It seems that every year hinges on beating Alabama knowing that there will be more losses. If there was the knowing that they would maybe/maybe not meet in playoffs based on seeding, it would take a lot of pressure off this one game in determining the whole year.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 9:09 am
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:09 am to Areddishfish
Well, no coach has more wins against Saban--or Meyer (the consensus two best coaches in the college game today) than Les Miles himself...yet LSU fired him. There's your answer.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:11 am to Areddishfish
If we dont beat BAMA, then we dont go to the SECCG. Plain and simple
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:11 am to Areddishfish
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ensure that LSU wins the games that they are supposed to?
This is a loser mentality... I want to win them all. Including Bama.
Are you a alter for a Bama fan?
LSU is elite this century, and has the resources to remain elite. LSU is supposed to win around 50% of the games over 10 year span against other elite programs in the conference. The program is down under the recent regime, but I see a bright future with the injection of a coach that can run/build/rebulid an elite program.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 9:12 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:14 am to Titan
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If we dont beat BAMA, then we dont go to the SECCG. Plain and simple
Agreed, but a close game against bama and we finish 11-1 each season. Hard for the committee not to put us in the CFP. Especially years like this one where everyone kinda sucks.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:22 am to Areddishfish
Saban is beatable... and it takes a smart rational logical HC to know that a spread-based scheme and and gameplan would have success against Saban. Miles, Cameron, O, and Esminger failed that.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:42 am to jtran1988
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Saban is beatable
Not if he has two weeks to prepare against your team...I realize that LSU has two weeks to prepare against Bama as well, but that duration of time really seems to favour Saban's style of preparation more so than other coaches.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:43 am to jtran1988
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Saban is beatable... and it takes a smart rational logical HC to know that a spread-based scheme and and gameplan would have success against Saban. Miles, Cameron, O, and Esminger failed that.
I was a Coach O fan until his post game press conference following the Bama loss. It wasn't the loss that got me, but when he said his game plan was to get Fournette the ball as many times as possible.
Of course, this was Miles' plan last year that didn't work... and O thinks by some miracle that Saban and his freak show defense can't stop LSU's creative offense of Fournette left and Fournette right?
No consistent use of Fournette as a decoy other than with play action? No jet sweeps or fast developing mis-direction plays against Bama? No creative use of Guice and Fournette together or in some type of wildcat read-option look? O lost me with that Miles-like game plan, and now he shows his red-zone offense was't prepared for an overmatched UF team. When the field gets tight in the red-zone he still didn't spread the formation and use speed or mis-direction. Every sweep or outside run seemed to have success against UF, but in the red-zone we continue to stack the box and run up the middle and our wrinkle is the play-action pass short of the goal line.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 9:55 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:51 am to TheDude321
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Not if he has two weeks to prepare against your team...I realize that LSU has two weeks to prepare against Bama as well, but that duration of time really seems to favour Saban's style of preparation more so than other coaches.
2011? It seems long ago, but LSU has beaten them with time to prepare. People would say the same thing about Miles early in his career "with time to prepare he (Miles) was unbeatable." Teams that play well with time to prepare are those that show consistent improvement/development and team discipline despite time off the field (good coaching).
Bama is beatable with a competent offense (see Ole Miss) and LSU's defense with or without time to prepare. Time to prepare should favor an offense's game plan to install wrinkles and understand how to break tendencies to attack a defense. LSU's offense looks worse than every other team in the SEC against Bama, and doesn't attack their weaknesses (they don't really have weaknesses but are weaker in certain areas).
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 9:57 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:53 am to Areddishfish
Well according to the rant, the coach has no responsibility for the play of his players on the field, so I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 9:55 am to Areddishfish
Yes, because we are both in the WEST you dumbass. No beat bama, no SEC championship.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:00 am to Areddishfish
This is an often overlooked fact. Playing in the SEC, you are allowed a loss or even 2, and can still make the playoff.Other conferences arent granted as much leniency. Thats why we need to get our crap together before its too late.
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/21/16 at 10:01 am to Areddishfish
U fight fire with fire! Defense wins championships. U beat Bama with Defense (like we almost did) and like they do to every one. We do need to be more creative on Offense no doubt. We can't rely solely on our running backs. A decent smart mobile QB is key.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 11:34 am to Cracking
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No creative use of Guice and Fournette together or in some type of wildcat read-option look?
THAT's what I wanted to see. Unfortunately, the QB that could have pulled it off was on the sidelines.
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