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Consolidation keeps coming for hedge funds and other prestige sectors in finance

Posted on 5/8/16 at 9:39 am
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 9:39 am
Business Insider (5/7/16): " Here's what the future of hedge funds looks like"

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There are ~10,000 hedge funds managing over $3 trillion in assets, but the top 10% or so manage around 90% of the assets. These large firms with long track records, huge back office support and all the bells and whistles institutional investors seek out will likely continue to attract the most investor capital. It’s the new “no one ever got fired for buying IBM.”


It's part of the natural life cycle of industries. First, there are maverick pioneers. Then, more professionalism and rigorous metrics are used as market competition increases. Then everything becomes so mechanized that the big fish eat the small fish, and only a few brilliant niche players (see big personalities like Bill Gross or George Soros) can continue to operate creatively.

If you look at the Top 10 quant hedge funds today, you would get a list something like this: Two Sigma; Renaissance Technologies; AQR Capital; D.E. Shaw; Citadel; Point72 (formerly SAC); Tower Research; Jane Street; Winton Capital; Bridgewater.

Maybe the second tier would include Hutchin Hill, Systematica (formerly Bluecrest), WorldQuant (formerly Millennium Management), Ellington, Hudson River, Jump Trading, Morgan Stanley PDT, Man Group AHL, RG Niederhoffer, Highbridge, etc.

Then there are huge asset management operations like PIMCO or Janus or BlackRock--the last of which administers technological support to a lot of the other funds, and which had acquired Barclays Global Investors in 2009, long after its 1994 split with Blackstone.

And the blue chip management consulting firms (McKinsey / Boston Consulting Group / Bain) and accounting consulting firms (EY / PwC / KPMG / Deloitte) and niche consulting firms (Oliver Wyman / Protiviti / etc.) also are offering up technological support and advice, although this is mostly in terms of helping out with audits and regulatory risk compliance.

Really, though, the top talent is drifting toward the big players, who have invested heavily in huge talented teams to run sophisticated technological research operations. The profit margins from this will have to go down over time via natural competition, but one would think that there will be huge profit margins in the near future once this global recessionary period finally ends.

I imagine that a similar trend is occurring in private equity, although based less on human talent and sophisticated technology systems, and more on simply brand prestige in being able to get the best and most profitable deal flow. There will always be maverick characters like Bill Ackman, David Einhorn, Carl Icahn, et al., but the prestigious Top 10 now dominate: Blackstone, KKR, Carlyle, Fortress, Ares, Apollo, TPG, Bain, Oaktree, and Ardian.

In recent years, these PE firms have increasingly been poaching analysts and associates from the Top 6 investment banks (GS, JPM, MS, C, BOA, & WFC), along with some of the others like Deutsche Bank, Barclays, Lazard, Houlihan, Santander, BNP Paribas, etc.

The same, I suppose, is true in the VC world, where you have Sequoia Capital, Greylock Partners, Kleiner Perkins, Bessemer Venture Partners, Andreessen Horowitz, New Enterprise Associates, Accel Partners, Redpoint Ventures, Benchmark Capital, Highland Capital Partners, Institutional Venture Partners, Atlas Venture, etc.

Of course, with the upcoming implementation of the JOBS Act of 2012, you'll be able to invest in startup firms yourself:

Barron's (5/7/16): " Equity Crowdfunding Is Ready to Launch This Month"
Fortune (5/6/16): " Why Equity Crowdfunding Could Be Dangerous for Investors and Entrepreneurs"
CNNMoney (10/30/15): " Startup investing is no longer just for rich" ("Soon you will be able to invest in a startup even if you're not rich.")

Painting with a very wide brush and looking at this all at once, headcounts and profits and bonuses are still dropping everywhere, and yet, at the very top, the assets under management keep getting bigger. Once the global economy turns more bullish, it will be very good to be at the top.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:27 am to
i would love to have steve cohen or ken griffin handle my money
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:32 am to
Haha... me too. Unfortunately, Citadel and Point72 are not publicly traded, but some of the p.e. and other firms are (" 10 Publicly Traded Hedge Funds That Pay a Dividend"):

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BlackRock, Inc. (BLK ) 4 years
Blackstone Group L.P. (BX ) 1 year
Invesco Ltd. (IVZ ) 5 years
Oaktree Capital Group LLC (OAK ) 1 year
Och-Ziff Capital Management (OZM ) 1 year
Lazard Ltd. (LAZ ) 3 years
KKR & Co. L.P. (KKR ) n/a
Fortress Investment Group (FIG ) 1 year
Apollo Global Management (APO ) n/a
Janus Capital Group (JNS ) 3 years


That was from October 2014, so keep in mind that it's an old list.

EDIT: I suppose I could add Teza Technologies, KCG Holdings, Och-Ziff, and Partners Groups to my elite lists in the original post.

Quant Hedge Funds
Two Sigma, Renaissance Technologies, AQR Capital, D.E. Shaw, Citadel, Point72 (formerly SAC), Tower Research, Jane Street, Winton Capital, Teza Technologies, Hutchin Hill, Systematica (formerly Bluecrest), WorldQuant (formerly Millennium Management), Ellington, Hudson River, Jump Trading, KCG Holdings, Morgan Stanley PDT, Man Group AHL, RG Niederhoffer, Highbridge, etc.

Huge Asset Management Operations
BlackRock, Bridgewater, Oppenheimer, PIMCO, Janus, Vanguard, Fidelity

Huge Institutional Investors
CalPERS, Yale Investments Office, etc.

Private Equity Firms
Blackstone, KKR, Carlyle, Fortress, Ares, Apollo, TPG, Bain, Oaktree, Ardian

Maverick Private Equity Investors
Carl Icahn, Bill Ackman, David Einhorn
(George Soros might be considered as running a maverick hedge fund.)

Venture Capital Firms
Sequoia Capital, Greylock Partners, Kleiner Perkins, Bessemer Venture Partners, Andreessen Horowitz, New Enterprise Associates, Accel Partners, Redpoint Ventures, Benchmark Capital, Highland Capital Partners, Institutional Venture Partners, Atlas Venture
This post was edited on 5/15/16 at 12:45 pm
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:43 am to
I obviously dont know much but if you have enough cash will ken griffin or steve cohens firms take you on as a client? I have a ton of cash in my chase private client group but its a waste of money their fees are comical, I really want to pull it out but before I gave it to them 2 years ago, they were nonstop with the phone calls bugging me eventually I just said here leave me alone.. The money I have managed on my own has done better. Id love to have one of these hedge funds handle my money.
Posted by Doc Fenton
New York, NY
Member since Feb 2007
52698 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:49 am to
I think they cater mostly to large institutional investors.
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
10905 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 12:03 pm to
Yes, but what you think is a "ton of cash" is much different than what they would consider a ton of cash. I'm sure the minimum investment is close to $50 million.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
55224 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

I obviously dont know much but if you have enough cash will ken griffin or steve cohens firms take you on as a client? I have a ton of cash in my chase private client group but its a waste of money their fees are comical, I really want to pull it out but before I gave it to them 2 years ago, they were nonstop with the phone calls bugging me eventually I just said here leave me alone.. The money I have managed on my own has done better. Id love to have one of these hedge funds handle my money.



I'm glad you posted this, an account manager to Chase private client has been chasing me as well about the funds in an account. I need to tell them thanks but no thanks.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 3:14 pm to
old sarge, the fees they charge per trade are silly. I outperformed them by a mile in my personal account with just visa,phillip morris and altria last year on my own. In all seriousness you could just buy SPY and its pretty much what they're doing for you and charging you for it. I gave them some of my cash just so they'd leave me alone and it definitely made getting a boat loan and second home loan much simpler bc they were controlling my assets. Regardless, its a waste of time, you can buy the SPY and save a ton in fees.

This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 3:15 pm
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