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Ranking the NFC South position groups: Offense.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:03 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:03 am
QB's:
1. New Orleans
2. Atlanta
3. Carolina
4. Tampa
The order is obvious, although recently some have been disputing that you'd take Cam over Ryan if you were starting a franchise. I couldn't disagree more. While Cam is a gifted athlete, he is a rather average QB. He benefits from his big frame and his ability to extend plays, much like a faster Big Ben.
Tampa has two QB's that both started for stints last year, and one performed rather well, but I put them at the bottom because neither has started an entire season.
RB's:
1. Tampa
2. New Orleans
3. Carolina
4. Atlanta
New Orleans probably has the deepest group, but Tampa get's the nod because of their top heavy talent. Carolina use to be the envy of the rest of the division, but their duo has aged, and their contracts no longer justify their production. To be fair, they've been used a lot.
Atlanta is hoping to get the production they envisioned when they signed Steven Jackson, but at his age and mileage, he can't be relied on. Quiz Rodgers is a good utility player and 3rd down back, but he lacks explosiveness. Devonta Freedam could develop into a 3 down player, but this uncertainty puts them at the bottom of the list.
TE's/FB:
1. New Orleans
2. Carolina
3. Tampa
4. Atlanta
New Orleans has the best pass catching TE in the game, and solid depth behind him. Ben Watson is up in age, but is in good shape, and has starting experience. Lorig was an off-the-radar signing, but is versatile and a punishing lead blocker.
Carolina has a nice duo of Olsen and Tolbert, both who are well rounded players that have consistent production. Tampa drafted 1. Austin Seferian-Jenkins in the 2nd round, and while he hasn't played a down yet, he could wind up being the 2nd best TE in the division.
Atlanta will run a 3 WR base, so a FB will only be used on short yardage situations. Gonzo's replacement, Toilolo, is more of a blocking TE.
WR's:
1. Atlanta
2. New Orleans
3. Tampa
4. Carolina
Atlanta still has an impressive trio of Jones, White and Douglas, who stepped up big last year in the absence of Jones. Health is really the only concern with this group. Their talent and production are unmatched in division.
New Orleans traded up to draft Brandin Cooks in the 1st round, and he looks to have an immediate impact. Cooks was extremely productive in college, and won the award for the nations best WR last year. Colston is steady in his production, and looks to have a good year with his foot finally being 100%. Kenny Stills looks to take the 2nd year leap after a very good rookie season. Morgan, Toon, Meachem, Coleman and Tanner all look to win the remaining 2-3 spots, with Toon looking good early on in camp.
Tampa's Jackson and Evans are both 6-5, and will be challenging for NFC South secondaries to cover. They could eventually unseat Jones and White as the top duo in the division.
Carolina had a purge of their WR corps, with long time Steve Smith being shown the door. They signed Cotchery and Avant, one a journeyman and the other an aging possession receiver. They drafted Kelvin Benjamin in the 1st round. Benjamin is a huge target with speed, but ran a very limited route tree in college.
OL:
1. New Orleans
2. Tampa
3. Atlanta
4. Carolina
After a season of injuries and poor blocking, the Saints o-line turned it around right before the playoffs. Armstead took the job of the departed Charles Brown, and gives them an athletic LT they haven't had in years, who was a tremendous boost in the run game. The only question mark is center, which became less of a question mark after the signing of former starting center Jonathon Goodwin. Between Goodwin and 2nd year player Tim Lelito, the Saints look to have one of the strongest interior lines in the league.
The rest of the division has seen a lot of turnover on their o-lines. Tampa jettisoned a couple of long time starters. Atlanta drafted Jake Matthews in the early first round and signed G Jon Asamoah in free agency. Carolina's long time LT Jordan Gross retired, and the o-line was already a weak point for the team.
The o-line is more than the sum of it's points. They have to learn to block as a unit. I think Atlanta and Tampa have started to head towards stability at the position, but all 3 teams could have a rough go of it at the start of the year.
1. New Orleans
2. Atlanta
3. Carolina
4. Tampa
The order is obvious, although recently some have been disputing that you'd take Cam over Ryan if you were starting a franchise. I couldn't disagree more. While Cam is a gifted athlete, he is a rather average QB. He benefits from his big frame and his ability to extend plays, much like a faster Big Ben.
Tampa has two QB's that both started for stints last year, and one performed rather well, but I put them at the bottom because neither has started an entire season.
RB's:
1. Tampa
2. New Orleans
3. Carolina
4. Atlanta
New Orleans probably has the deepest group, but Tampa get's the nod because of their top heavy talent. Carolina use to be the envy of the rest of the division, but their duo has aged, and their contracts no longer justify their production. To be fair, they've been used a lot.
Atlanta is hoping to get the production they envisioned when they signed Steven Jackson, but at his age and mileage, he can't be relied on. Quiz Rodgers is a good utility player and 3rd down back, but he lacks explosiveness. Devonta Freedam could develop into a 3 down player, but this uncertainty puts them at the bottom of the list.
TE's/FB:
1. New Orleans
2. Carolina
3. Tampa
4. Atlanta
New Orleans has the best pass catching TE in the game, and solid depth behind him. Ben Watson is up in age, but is in good shape, and has starting experience. Lorig was an off-the-radar signing, but is versatile and a punishing lead blocker.
Carolina has a nice duo of Olsen and Tolbert, both who are well rounded players that have consistent production. Tampa drafted 1. Austin Seferian-Jenkins in the 2nd round, and while he hasn't played a down yet, he could wind up being the 2nd best TE in the division.
Atlanta will run a 3 WR base, so a FB will only be used on short yardage situations. Gonzo's replacement, Toilolo, is more of a blocking TE.
WR's:
1. Atlanta
2. New Orleans
3. Tampa
4. Carolina
Atlanta still has an impressive trio of Jones, White and Douglas, who stepped up big last year in the absence of Jones. Health is really the only concern with this group. Their talent and production are unmatched in division.
New Orleans traded up to draft Brandin Cooks in the 1st round, and he looks to have an immediate impact. Cooks was extremely productive in college, and won the award for the nations best WR last year. Colston is steady in his production, and looks to have a good year with his foot finally being 100%. Kenny Stills looks to take the 2nd year leap after a very good rookie season. Morgan, Toon, Meachem, Coleman and Tanner all look to win the remaining 2-3 spots, with Toon looking good early on in camp.
Tampa's Jackson and Evans are both 6-5, and will be challenging for NFC South secondaries to cover. They could eventually unseat Jones and White as the top duo in the division.
Carolina had a purge of their WR corps, with long time Steve Smith being shown the door. They signed Cotchery and Avant, one a journeyman and the other an aging possession receiver. They drafted Kelvin Benjamin in the 1st round. Benjamin is a huge target with speed, but ran a very limited route tree in college.
OL:
1. New Orleans
2. Tampa
3. Atlanta
4. Carolina
After a season of injuries and poor blocking, the Saints o-line turned it around right before the playoffs. Armstead took the job of the departed Charles Brown, and gives them an athletic LT they haven't had in years, who was a tremendous boost in the run game. The only question mark is center, which became less of a question mark after the signing of former starting center Jonathon Goodwin. Between Goodwin and 2nd year player Tim Lelito, the Saints look to have one of the strongest interior lines in the league.
The rest of the division has seen a lot of turnover on their o-lines. Tampa jettisoned a couple of long time starters. Atlanta drafted Jake Matthews in the early first round and signed G Jon Asamoah in free agency. Carolina's long time LT Jordan Gross retired, and the o-line was already a weak point for the team.
The o-line is more than the sum of it's points. They have to learn to block as a unit. I think Atlanta and Tampa have started to head towards stability at the position, but all 3 teams could have a rough go of it at the start of the year.
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:10 am to Patrick O Rly
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Tough call on this one. Tampa's WRs may end up being deeper than ours when it's said and done this season. We'll see how it pans out.
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recently some have been disputing that you'd take Cam over Ryan if you were starting a franchise. I couldn't disagree more. While Cam is a gifted athlete, he is a rather average QB. He benefits from his big frame and his ability to extend plays, much like a faster Big Ben.
Big Ben has won Super Bowls playing the way he has.
I HATE Cam, so trust me, this isn't a fan-boy comment, but I've seen Cam make stellar throws, and I've seen him make terrible ones too. Same for Ryan. I look at who I can see winning a ship... I don't see Ryan winning one, imo. I can see Cam hoisting the trophy however.
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:16 am to 4thandinches
Yeah, Tampa has some nice pieces, and they could be near the top before the years end.
I really don't believe in Cam. He sputters against tougher defenses. He's not good at reading defenses and holds onto the ball for too long. I can't see him winning a SB.
I really don't believe in Cam. He sputters against tougher defenses. He's not good at reading defenses and holds onto the ball for too long. I can't see him winning a SB.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:18 am to 4thandinches
I do not see Cam winning a championship, and hope I never have to.
Ryan is a much better passer compared to Cam. He just seems to choke in big games/moments. He gets a lot of hate from Saints fans, but he's a very good QB.
Ryan is a much better passer compared to Cam. He just seems to choke in big games/moments. He gets a lot of hate from Saints fans, but he's a very good QB.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:23 am to Patrick O Rly
I expect Stills to have a really good season. What a steal he was in the 5th round, can't wait to see the WRs with the addition of Cooks.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:29 am to CocoLoco
True, I stated earlier it wasn't a "fanboy post" but it most certainly could still be a biased post as a Saints fan; because as much as I hate Cam, I share the same, if not more hate for Ryan.
I hope I see neither win a championship, but I would predict Cam would before Ryan. Cam just seems like more of a winner than Ryan.
I hope I see neither win a championship, but I would predict Cam would before Ryan. Cam just seems like more of a winner than Ryan.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 10:31 am to 4thandinches
It's going to be tough for both of them. Cam has a better defense to help him, but Ryan has better weapons on offense.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:11 am to Patrick O Rly
There is no way our o-line ranks above anybody's
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:49 am to dawgfan24348
Oh but there is.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 11:52 am to dawgfan24348
How so? The current lineup (- dlp) rushed for 100+ yards in each of the last 4 games.
The rest of the teams o-line are in transitions.
A lot of teams would kill for a lineup of Armstead, Grubbs, Lelito/Goodwin, Evan and Strief.
The rest of the teams o-line are in transitions.
A lot of teams would kill for a lineup of Armstead, Grubbs, Lelito/Goodwin, Evan and Strief.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 12:26 pm to Patrick O Rly
Cam Newton is the Lebron James of football. The talent has always been there, but whether he takes that next step is completely up to him. I am eager to see how he performs with little-nothing to work with at wideout this year.
Look at Brady, same situation last year - he lost Welker, Gronk was injured, Hernandez decided to reenact a scene from Grand Theft Auto. The thing that separates Brady from someone like Cam Newton is his ability to keep these green players comfortable and calm. Cam took a huge leap last year with his attitude adjustments, but he still seemed to check out when they started to get beat. How he composes himself this year will be a great indicator of where he is and where he is going.
Look at Brady, same situation last year - he lost Welker, Gronk was injured, Hernandez decided to reenact a scene from Grand Theft Auto. The thing that separates Brady from someone like Cam Newton is his ability to keep these green players comfortable and calm. Cam took a huge leap last year with his attitude adjustments, but he still seemed to check out when they started to get beat. How he composes himself this year will be a great indicator of where he is and where he is going.
This post was edited on 7/2/14 at 12:27 pm
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:24 pm to Patrick O Rly
QB:
1. Saints
2. Falcons
3. Panthers
4. Buccs
RB:
1. Buccs (when healthy)
2. Saints (most depth)
3. Falcons (jackson can be dangerous)
4. Panthers (stewart and williams are shot)
TE/FB:
1. Saints (not even close either)
2. Panthers (olsen is still a beast)
3. Buccs (will be #2 in a year or 2)
4. Falcons (toilolo is nothing but a RZ target)
WR:
1. Saints (because of depth)
2. Falcons (White overrated)
3. Buccs (V-Jax overrated)
4. Panthers (lol)
OL:
1. Saints(2 probowlers.. could have been 3, + armstead a monster in the making)
2. Buccs (so/so line)
3. Falcons (eh, but up and coming)
4. Panthers (weak/depleated)
1. Saints
2. Falcons
3. Panthers
4. Buccs
RB:
1. Buccs (when healthy)
2. Saints (most depth)
3. Falcons (jackson can be dangerous)
4. Panthers (stewart and williams are shot)
TE/FB:
1. Saints (not even close either)
2. Panthers (olsen is still a beast)
3. Buccs (will be #2 in a year or 2)
4. Falcons (toilolo is nothing but a RZ target)
WR:
1. Saints (because of depth)
2. Falcons (White overrated)
3. Buccs (V-Jax overrated)
4. Panthers (lol)
OL:
1. Saints(2 probowlers.. could have been 3, + armstead a monster in the making)
2. Buccs (so/so line)
3. Falcons (eh, but up and coming)
4. Panthers (weak/depleated)
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:46 pm to TPecoraro23
Dude, Atlanta has the best WRs in the NFC South.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 1:47 pm to TPecoraro23
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WR: 1. Saints (because of depth) 2. Falcons (White overrated)
I agreed with you up until this point. The ironic part is if you include J.G. as a WR - I'll give you this ranking. If you label him a TE, NO's WR's aren't even close to ATL's. Sorry.
Posted on 7/2/14 at 2:04 pm to DoubleDown
He's a tightend. It's already been settled... Let's move on!
Posted on 7/2/14 at 4:16 pm to bountyhunter
These talents you're referring to are physical talents. Championship quarterbacks need mental talent, not necessarily physical talents. Of course there are a few qbs that win a ship riding the back of a very good defense (Dilfer, McMahon, I'd even throw in Wilson). If Cam would win one it would definitely be the case for him also judging from what I've seen over his career
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