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Mad Hatter 2005-08 v. Les Miles 2009 - Present

Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:58 pm
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 2:58 pm
This thread was inspired by the LSU GOAT thread.

Watching LSU football the last few years, Miles has completely shifted his persona from his first several seasons of foot-to-the-floor aggression to a grind-it-out approach. This much is obvious.

I think we all surmise that the reason for this change was brought about by the number of interceptions in 2008, in combination with the fact that our defense has been immensely more reliable in years past than the offense.

The point is this, to be the GOAT, not only do we need the 2014,15, and 16 recruiting classes, I believe we also need the Hatter to return. We can put up 10-win seasons regularly, this we know, but we all want more and have it sitting there for the taking.

With the talent we're stockpiling, I don't see a reason why we can't get back to that same type of aggressive play-calling. We don't have to hide the defense or protect the offense.

God, I hate February - August.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17314 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:07 pm to
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his first several seasons of foot-to-the-floor aggression


Largely a myth. He went for it on fourth because he had a high percentage back who could pick those two yards up, and defenses that weren't quite what we've become used to. He was still very conservative in other aspects of the game.

2012 vs Bama featured some of Miles' most aggressive moments. His decision making is more a reflection of personnel, not years he's been on the job. If this year's OL is as dominant as projected, we'll see a lot of short yardage 4th down nods and people will say "DA HAT BACK BABY," but it will have just been a calculated risk that was favorable based on the percentages.
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
12137 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:13 pm to
I tend to agree with you, but I'm notsomuch refering to the 7 4th down conversions v. Florida and more about

Fake FG v. USC
Byrd TD v. Auburn
etc. etc.
Posted by JonTheTigerFan
Central, LA
Member since Nov 2003
6784 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:21 pm to
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Fake FG v. USC


We've faked field goals since then.

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Byrd TD v. Auburn


Wasn't that big of a gamble until Flynn took so long to get the snap.
Posted by More&Les
Member since Nov 2012
14684 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:28 pm to
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He went for it on fourth because he had a high percentage back who could pick those two yards up


quote:

it will have just been a calculated risk that was favorable based on the percentages.
Posted by lsuhunt555
Teakwood Village Breh
Member since Nov 2008
38405 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:34 pm to
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foot-to-the-floor aggression

Largely a myth


Not really. Miles always beat the tar out bad teams in his first few years here. Somewhere, it started a trend where we would beat shitty SEC teams by 15 instead of 30 and even in some instances lose to them.
Posted by The 25 Jersey
Tiger Stadium
Member since Oct 2007
1345 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:36 pm to
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Les Miles


quote:

calculated


Some would disagree with this assessment.
Posted by Circle K Beggar
Somewhere in the lower 48
Member since Feb 2011
6154 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 3:41 pm to
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2005-08


all day, every day (except for that 2008 season)
Posted by BearTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2006
1633 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:25 pm to
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Not really. Miles always beat the tar out bad teams in his first few years here. Somewhere, it started a trend where we would beat shitty SEC teams by 15 instead of 30 and even in some instances lose to them.


I disagree. Some examples:

2005:
L Tennessee (5-6 record) 27-30
W Arkansas (4-7) 19-17

2006:
W Bama (6-7) 28-14
W Ole Miss (4-8) 23-20 OT

2007:
W Bama (7-6) 41-34
W South Carolina (6-6) 28-16
L Arkansas (8-5) 48-50 OT

In 2008, we lost 5 games so I won't list those losses.

I am a "Miles guy", but he has been pretty consistent over the years as far as playing down to lower level SEC competition 2-3 times a season.

The major change in Miles has been a shift from a little more Single Back/Shotgun 3-4 wr sets that Jimbo and Crowton ran to more I Formation 1-2 wr sets that we run now. We have incorporated each into our offenses throughout the Miles era, but have been much more I Formation the past couple of seasons.

Agree with others about Miles making the right calls and going for it on 4th and short when he should have. The problem is when Miles calls a fake punt, reverse on 4th down, onside kick, etc... and it works, people call him the Mad Hatter. When he calls one and it doesn't work, people call him an idiot.
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21120 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 4:37 pm to
LSU as a program has always played down to weaker competition as long as I have been following LSU football, which has been since I was a boy in the 80's.

This is not a Les Miles thing. It is the culture of LSU overall.

Saban changed it some, but then lost to Arkansas in 2002, Florida in 2003, and struggled the entire 2004 season. His memory here is largely exaggerated when it comes to dominance.

Miles has been the best coach that LSU has ever had over a 9 year period and with great recruiting classes and two top notch coordinators, the next 3-4 years look to continue the trend.

I would rather have the Les Miles of 2014-16 than the Les Miles of 2005-08 because the game is totally different now and Les keeps adapted and winning 10+ games per year in the toughest division of the toughest conference in the history of college football. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Posted by LSU03
Tiger Mecca (aka Baton Rouge)
Member since Dec 2003
514 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 5:09 pm to
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Saban changed it some


I agree with everything you said except the above.

UAB?

Saban was worse than Miles when it came to playing down to bad competition. We have never lost to a non-AQ school under Miles.
Posted by thekid
Anna, Tx
Member since May 2006
3937 posts
Posted on 2/18/14 at 6:01 pm to
I get so tired of our fans griping about playing "down" to our competition...beating anyone in the SEC can be difficult, regardless of their record...
I understand being disappointed the team didn't crush a seemingly crappy team but to criticize Miles for how he is winning is asinine...
CLM's job description is to run a clean program, graduate kids and win games...not win games with a margin our 'tard fans are comfortable with...
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