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re: Why would anyone become a Doctor?
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:31 am to CoyoteSong
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:31 am to CoyoteSong
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My golf buddy is a doctor. He will retire at 75. All I hear about is complainants about his job and his debt.
He didn't do it right.
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Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:31 am to CoyoteSong
Being a physician gives a combination of intellectual stimulation, helping people, social prestige, and good compensation that is hard to find in other jobs.
As far as retirement, most of the older docs I know have been working hard for so long, they just don’t know how to stop.
As far as retirement, most of the older docs I know have been working hard for so long, they just don’t know how to stop.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:31 am to CoyoteSong
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You just wasted the absolute best years of your life studying and working your butt off.
Best years of your life is subjective there.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:31 am to 777Tiger
I know plumbers making $250K+ plus per year right now. Granted they own the company and do new construction plumbing only but trades are in demand.
If I were to go back to school, I would get my civil engineering degree and do land surveying. There are fewer and fewer surveyors every year. Call one up for a flood elevation or to even just come to find corners that are already there and you will get told it will be at least a month and a few thousand dollars. Then they will just send out their field hands to do the actual work and all they do is review it and stamp it.
For some reason, no one is wanting blue-collar jobs even with the high earning potential. I know it's not glamorous but neither is having tons of student debt making $30K per year or for a Dr waiting until you are in your 30s to actually begin your career.
If I were to go back to school, I would get my civil engineering degree and do land surveying. There are fewer and fewer surveyors every year. Call one up for a flood elevation or to even just come to find corners that are already there and you will get told it will be at least a month and a few thousand dollars. Then they will just send out their field hands to do the actual work and all they do is review it and stamp it.
For some reason, no one is wanting blue-collar jobs even with the high earning potential. I know it's not glamorous but neither is having tons of student debt making $30K per year or for a Dr waiting until you are in your 30s to actually begin your career.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:32 am to CoyoteSong
i dunno, my sister in law with her summer home in Colorado mountains that cost 500k at the age of 39 seems pretty content.
better question is why people go into my profession
4 years under, 4 years veterinary school, optional for 3-5 year residency. 200-300k debt. general starting pay less than 100k. Cuz were crazy (and passionate)!
better question is why people go into my profession
4 years under, 4 years veterinary school, optional for 3-5 year residency. 200-300k debt. general starting pay less than 100k. Cuz were crazy (and passionate)!
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 9:35 am
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:32 am to CoyoteSong
My son went to med school a little later than most, he is 33 and just started a fellowship in Pulmonary Critical Care. Once done, he can expect well over $300K in income to start. That doesn’t include any “extra” work he wants to do.
He has about $300K in debt at this point.
He’ll be able to pay that back quickly.
He has about $300K in debt at this point.
He’ll be able to pay that back quickly.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:32 am to Old Money
quote:Plus, as you can see with doctors posting in this thread, the residency years are great years for a lot of young people. He also makes it sound like all you have time to do is work, but I know from experience, folks in residency party...a lot.
Best years of your life is subjective there.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:34 am to CoyoteSong
Because if they do it “right” they will have a pile of cash if they vertically integrate various pieces of medical business. Doctors aren’t just doctors, they own parts of the clinic, rehab facilities that they refer you to, etc., etc. they have opportunities to own other businesses and refer within each to get a piece of each pie. It’s an incredible business move to be a doctor if you do it right.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:34 am to CoyoteSong
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You just wasted the absolute best years of your life studying and working your butt off. You will never get these years back ever again. You now have 500k in student loan debt and you get to waste 30-90k every year on malpractice insurance. You continue to work long hours and even take call through all hours of the night and holidays.
Cry me a river from your golf course mansion
Maybe if you wouldn't choose to close at 12:00 PM on Friday you wouldn't have to work long hours and take calls on holidays
Doctors, with some exceptions, in my experience, know a little bit about a lot of different things. Mostly just enough to get by on the day to day 5-10 minute sessions they spend with their patients every day. They're not the ones that live with the medical conditions their patients face day in and day out. I'm not saying that spending 5 minutes makes you smarter than your doctor and it's all relative, but doctors shouldn't immediately discount the opinions of their patients who probably spend a lot of time during their day researching their condition and talking amongst other people who suffer from the same things.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:34 am to TigerstuckinMS
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I AM GOD.
Get that ridiculous thought out of your head and stay in your lane. Do your job. Nobody wants you to share your extracurricular ramblings. You have better things to do with your time anyway.
If you can't mold yourself into being a great human being, then, stay off of this board and devote yourself 100 percent to being the best surgeon that you can possibly be.
PS It's sad that I had to take the time to write this message to the likes of you - a person smart enough to be a surgeon. SMH.
PSS My personal opinion on this profession is that if any person is smart enough to be an MD, then, it's a wonderful way to live a life and be somebody worthwhile. The opportunity to provide selfless service while doing great things for humanity is almost limitless.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:35 am to CoyoteSong
You bring up great points. I wouldn't do it again if I could start over
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:36 am to stout
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do land surveying.
good niche, I know things change but when I was in college(have a CivE degree,) we had to take two surveying courses and the prof told us(at the time,) that upon completion of those courses we could test for surveyor certification, I'm sure that it would require working a certain amount of time under the supervision of a licensed surveyor(like a real estate appraise/inspector has to,) might check into that
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 9:38 am
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:36 am to TigerGrad2011
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Because if they do it “right” they will have a pile of cash if they vertically integrate various pieces of medical business. Doctors aren’t just doctors, they own parts of the clinic, rehab facilities that they refer you to, etc., etc. they have opportunities to own other businesses and refer within each to get a piece of each pie. It’s an incredible business move to be a doctor if you do it right.
This is true. My cousin is a partner in labs all over LA, TX, and MS and retired from the Dr part long ago due to his earnings from the labs. Covid has obviously made him a ton more money due to the testing.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:37 am to CoyoteSong
If your 20's were the best years of your life, you're doing it wrong.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:38 am to 777Tiger
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good niche
It's a great niche. Especially in the south where you not only get to survey but do FEMA flood elevations.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:38 am to CoyoteSong
My brother went to a prestigious med school and got burnt out after 3 years. He realized he didn't want to be on call or working holidays for the next 10 years.
He then went to a prestigious law school and is a patent attorney. He makes big bucks and has enough time to operate a tutoring business on the side.
He then went to a prestigious law school and is a patent attorney. He makes big bucks and has enough time to operate a tutoring business on the side.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:40 am to stout
quote:Because the barriers to entry (in LA) are extremely high. They're feathering their own nests.
There are fewer and fewer surveyors every year.
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:40 am to Old Money
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Best years of your life is subjective there.
30s and 40s are better than your 20s
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:41 am to Champagne
quote:
I AM GOD.
Get that ridiculous thought out of your head and stay in your lane. Do your job. Nobody wants you to share your extracurricular ramblings. You have better things to do with your time anyway.
If you can't mold yourself into being a great human being, then, stay off of this board and devote yourself 100 percent to being the best surgeon that you can possibly be.
PS It's sad that I had to take the time to write this message to the likes of you - a person smart enough to be a surgeon. SMH.
That wasn't my post, but pretty sure the poster is quoting from Alec Baldwin's character in the 1990's movie Malice
Posted on 9/29/21 at 9:41 am to El Segundo Guy
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My brother went to a prestigious med school and got burnt out after 3 years. He realized he didn't want to be on call or working holidays for the next 10 years.
He then went to a prestigious law school and is a patent attorney. He makes big bucks and has enough time to operate a tutoring business on the side.
a friend of mine from LSU is a very talented neurosurgeon, after he established his practice(in the oil patch,) he went to law school and now racks up double dipping on neuro related oil field injuries
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