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re: for the "there are good public schools in the suburbs" crowd
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:10 am to fr33manator
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:10 am to fr33manator
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God, I can’t imagine my sexuality being my whole identity.
I can't either.
But these are kids here, they are awkward, puberty, trying to find their place in the world, etc. It doesn't help that some of them are trying to show off for others.
And most of these kids are experimenting. Used to be college was when kids experimented. Now they are doing it high school.
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Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:12 am to TDTOM
quote:Just giving my anecdotal evidence on what I experienced
All depends.
The makeup of the student body is the most important thing that gives the perception of the school being better
“Jimmy and Joe’s” type of situation
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:12 am to Tigeralum2008
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LGBTQ teens tend to really struggle through those years. Many commit suicide due to their inability to cope with the rejection they may face at home or in school.
Straight teens struggle as well and commit suicide. Anyway B are usually sluts with specific issues needing help with that aren’t being a B or actually an L or G, Q is a repeat or a slur depending on who uses it, and T do need help but not help alliance is willing to give. I forget what A,I, and + are, and I sure another will be added before too long. Just hope it’s not AI or AI+
If a teacher is actually trained to deal with mental and emotional issues of teens who think current “crisis” will never end including academic pressures they should be available for all individual students and put that sticker up or maybe just be good teachers.
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 10:27 am
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:12 am to Pettifogger
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And all the more reason to start ceasing/breaking down false/outdated narratives about the hatred society holds for gay people, etc.
There is still a lot of hatred out there. Both of my kids are in high school, and they tell me stories that aren't much different than when I was in high school. The only real difference is kids are more comfortable to come out now than they were when I was in high school. We of course knew who the gay ones were back then, and they were bullied. The ones out today are bullied just the same, though they definitely have more advocates than when I was in high school in the late 80's. I went to a large high school and I don't think there was a single gay person that had come out as gay. Several did come out in college a year or two after graduating.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:14 am to Pettifogger
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d let's be honest, putting up a safe space sticker is not about kids.
It's about touting your own superiority as a result of your political beliefs. If a gay or trans kid talks to you - your concern is having checked a box of being an ally and being able to get credit it for it in like company, not about helping the student
Perhaps. I don’t know. I think a lot of people who become teachers actually care about kids. Some maybe too much... if you catch my meaning. Some are dumb and can’t do the coursework required for anything other than an elementary school degree and are waiting for a wedding ring so they can quit but justify the thousands of dollars their parents spent on sending them to college by “getting a degree.”
Hard to say really.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
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Just giving my anecdotal evidence on what I experienced
I went to a cookie cutter catholic school for two years in high school. My junior year I transferred to a college prep school. I can tell you there was a world of difference in teachers and education level.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:14 am to Cosmo
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Good public schools to most people = mostly white kids
The actual education you get isnt relevant to a suburban karen
That's not true. Most parents are looking for a place at which their kid won't be subjected to violent crime. They are also looking for a place at which the academics are good enough to prepare their kids for college.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:15 am to IAmNERD
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"But, their choices will never have any effect on you or your family"
there was a question asked of "how did we get to this level of ridiculousness" on the "other board" and somebody responded with,
"when we laughed at Seinfeld saying 'not that there's anything wrong with that.'"
i don't wish anything ill on the lgbt community and want them to have all the rights afforded to them, but i think that level of acquiescence at the time was the start of the problem.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:15 am to lsupride87
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This isn’t unique to public schools. The only reason private schools are worth the money in south LA is because your kid will be surrounded by kids whose families support them and hold them accountable in life. The teachers aren’t anything special
Many people in S LA automatically assume that Private > Public in all cases and situations.
There are some private schools in LA full of teachers with masters degrees in their field (not education masters) who could easily be teaching in college but they don't want to go for a doctorate and/or they don't want to do research.
There are some private schools in LA full of teachers who can't pass the Praxis and thus can't get a public school job.
For every Jesuit with their 4581 national merit finalists, there is an Ecole.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:16 am to TDTOM
quote:Which is why I said south La in my post
I went to a cookie cutter catholic school for two years in high school. My junior year I transferred to a college prep school. I can tell you there was a world of difference in teachers and education level.
Yes, there are private high schools out there where the learning is legit on an entirely different level
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:16 am to The Spleen
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Good for those students.
Yeah, let's pretend they give a shite about the cause instead of getting out of class.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:17 am to Penrod
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hat's not true. Most parents are looking for a place at which their kid won't be subjected to violent crime.
Outside of urban areas... this just isn't a factor.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:17 am to lsupride87
quote:can you find this though?
If you can find a public school in south LA where the student makeup is from good solid families, I think private is a waste of money
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:18 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:Yes
can you find this though?
For south LA, I would say Zachary, Mandeville, Fountainbleau and Dutchtown clearly fit that mold
Maybe a few others I’m leaving off the list
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:20 am to Tigeralum2008
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I know my son's class had 2 gay kids commit suicide because of the way their parents reacted to them.
This
Maybe they shoulda kept their mouths shut about their sexual preferences until they were old enough to move out/come out. Then they wouldn’t have been treated badly. Being a fig isn’t the problem. Being a fig and trying to force everyone to accept is the problem. Especially when those you depend on for your life and well being won’t approve.
Ain’t very sympathetic, but it’s reality.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:20 am to The Spleen
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There is still a lot of hatred out there. Both of my kids are in high school, and they tell me stories that aren't much different than when I was in high school. The only real difference is kids are more comfortable to come out now than they were when I was in high school. We of course knew who the gay ones were back then, and they were bullied. The ones out today are bullied just the same, though they definitely have more advocates than when I was in high school in the late 80's. I went to a large high school and I don't think there was a single gay person that had come out as gay. Several did come out in college a year or two after graduating.
I think the "hatred" has declined to where it is largely on par with any other characteristic that draws some bullying. Being fat, being ugly, being dorky, etc. Gone are the days where it's 99% of the school against you, IMO.
Which means it's time to start talking about it like it's any other bullying or rite of adolescence, rather than some politically loaded crisis.
And of course, in adult life for every quiet gay person being persecuted in this country there are 10 obnoxious gay activists using their sexuality as a sword.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:21 am to Pettifogger
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And let's be honest, putting up a safe space sticker is not about kids.
It's about touting your own superiority as a result of your political beliefs. If a gay or trans kid talks to you - your concern is having checked a box of being an ally and being able to get credit it for it in like company, not about helping the student.
There are some teachers like this.
The vast majority, vast majority, of public high school teachers are so concerned with teaching the kids enough to pass the damn LEAP, they don't care about pushing some sort of political stance.
Most good teachers will talk with kids about their issues... whether it's being gay, being bi, having an abusive parent, getting knocked up, whatever.
To say that a teacher only will talk to a gay kid to check off a box and make themselves feel better tells me you have no clue what it's like to be a teacher. Clown.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:21 am to tigerinthebueche
quote:Wow
Maybe they shoulda kept their mouths shut about their sexual preferences until they were old enough to move out/come out. Then they wouldn’t have been treated badly. Being a fig isn’t the problem. Being a fig and trying to force everyone to accept is the problem. Especially when those you depend on for your life and well being won’t approve.
Ain’t very sympathetic, but it’s reality.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:21 am to GreatLakesTiger24
1. Irving high schools are urban, not suburban.
2. Handing out those stickers is bullshite. What if a teacher didn’t want to talk about it and didn’t put a sticker up? Surely they wouldn’t get backlash.. right?
2. Handing out those stickers is bullshite. What if a teacher didn’t want to talk about it and didn’t put a sticker up? Surely they wouldn’t get backlash.. right?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:22 am to Pettifogger
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I think the "hatred" has declined to where it is largely on par with any other characteristic that draws some bullying. Being fat, being ugly, being dorky, etc. Gone are the days where it's 99% of the school against you, IMO.
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IMO
Your opinion is mis-informed.
When COVID ends and they let adult volunteers back in schools... go spend some time volunteering at your local high school. Maybe you might learn something.
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