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re: Terminator 2: Judgment Day At 30
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:07 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:07 pm to RollTide1987
Terminator 1 is an action movie. I agree that there is definitely an element of slasher flick to it, but the shoot-out in the police department, the chase on the motorcycle, and the truck chase scene are all full-throttle.
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Posted on 7/3/21 at 10:25 pm to RollTide1987
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One is a horror film while the other is pure action/sci-fi.
In a way like Alien & Aliens, im glad the sequels to both weren't made asap. Both films got to sink in, then James Cameron brought his best work imo.
This post was edited on 7/4/21 at 1:34 am
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:17 pm to SEClint
yep, Alien and Aliens are both great but both very different movies.
ditto Terminator and T2.
4 outstanding movies, but i guess I like the action/sci-fi more than the horror because I think Aliens and T2 are both superior to the originals but others disagree...and that is fine.
ditto Terminator and T2.
4 outstanding movies, but i guess I like the action/sci-fi more than the horror because I think Aliens and T2 are both superior to the originals but others disagree...and that is fine.
Posted on 7/3/21 at 11:47 pm to saintsfan92612
I prefer T1 and Alien over T2 and Aliens but as you said to each their own. They’re all amazing movies and each franchise is completely different from 1 to 2. The one thing that stuck with me from T1 was the AMT long slide 1911 
Come to find out the AMT is not very reliable, I do own several other Long slide 1911s because of that movie though. On the other hand T2 left me with the 1887 lever action 
and who could ever forget the M-134 
Come to find out the AMT is not very reliable, I do own several other Long slide 1911s because of that movie though. On the other hand T2 left me with the 1887 lever action and who could ever forget the M-134 
Posted on 7/4/21 at 4:45 am to RollTide1987
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Well, for one, The Terminator isn't an action movie. It's a slasher film with a sci-fi twist. All of the elements of the slasher genre are there:
I think they were both made to ultimately be suspense films and Terminator wins hands down. Making T2 about feelings and family and humanizing killing machines in retrospect seems Spielbergian.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 6:12 am to RLDSC FAN
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Cameron: I remember sitting there once, high on E, writing notes for Terminator,
What was he high on for Avatar? Meth and Dances with Wolves?
Posted on 7/4/21 at 6:44 am to HabaneroBuck
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Terminator 1 is an action movie.
Completely disagree. It masquerades as an action movie, but in reality it is a horror film that is more related to Friday the 13th than it is to something like Die Hard. Just read/listen James Cameron's interviews regarding the movie. The man was heavily influenced by John Carpenter early in his career and the dream he had which inspired him to write The Terminator was about a metallic creature dragging its way from an explosion, armed with knives and coming toward him.
When The Terminator was being filmed in 1983, the slasher film sub-genre of horror was in vogue with Halloween, Friday the 13th, and numerous other knockoffs dominating the market for people in the teenage demographic. When you strip away the sci-fi elements of The Terminator, it's a film about a relentless killer, the woman he has targeted, and the man trying to save her life.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 1:16 pm to RollTide1987
It was all that, but its the sci-fi story that gave it so much more. It was a hell of a concept which friday the 13th and Halloween didn't have.
Plus its easier to buy that a machine from the future..programmed specificallyto murder you at any cost, would be more difficult to reason with, beat up or outsmart.
It checked a lot of boxes as far as genres go, we didn't have to wait half the movie or etc for things to get started either. Everything kicks off in the first act and doesn't let up. We see the killer, we learn what's up and we are along for the psychological thriller horror sci fi action
Plus its easier to buy that a machine from the future..programmed specificallyto murder you at any cost, would be more difficult to reason with, beat up or outsmart.
It checked a lot of boxes as far as genres go, we didn't have to wait half the movie or etc for things to get started either. Everything kicks off in the first act and doesn't let up. We see the killer, we learn what's up and we are along for the psychological thriller horror sci fi action
Posted on 7/4/21 at 1:27 pm to RollTide1987
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The man was heavily influenced by John Carpenter early in his career
He did the set piece miniatures used to film New York in Escape from New York. Cameron was a great artist, no doubt.
Posted on 7/4/21 at 3:49 pm to Upperdecker
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What was he high on for Avatar? Meth and Dances with Wolves?
Posted on 7/4/21 at 4:55 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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T2 felt like a PG movie on rewatch
Posted on 7/4/21 at 5:18 pm to HabaneroBuck
You’ve put together a pretty good list
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:11 pm to Sun God
So because of this thread/article I've been wanting to rewatch The Terminator (hadn't seen it all the way through since I was a kid).
I watched it over the last couple of nights, and a few things stood out to me:
It's not nearly as awesome as I remember it being. It is good, sure, but I guess just my memories of being a kid and watching it stick with me. I can remember it being cool and even scary, especially at the end with the machine continuing to come after Sarah Connor. However, watching it now it definitely doesn't have that "horror" vibe from back then.
The effects simply do not hold up well. At all. And that's nobody's fault really, but the fake Arnold's throughout the movie look extraordinarily fake now. And as cool as the machine looks at the end, the animation of it is straight up awful looking now. It's clunky and very amateurish looking. I get that it was very cutting-edge back then, but man it doesn't hold up at all. I appreciate the amount of practical effects it utilized though.
There was a lot more "future" scenes than I remembered. and they were sort of boring most of the time.
Arnold was a very polite killing machine. He asked a lot of questions, and even didn't kill people several times. I remember him being this ruthless killing machine, and he kinda wasn't (in some parts). But like he walks into the police station and asks for Sarah Connor, and then even leaves when the cop tells him to wait. Sure, he rolls into there with a car afterwards, but it seems like he would've just shot that dude and moved on to find her.
Maybe it was just me, but it felt like the acting was pretty bad. I like Michael Beihn, but he didn't do a good job. And even Sarah at times was kinda wooden. I don't know, it just felt like B-movie level acting in a lot of places.
I liked how at the end they did acknowledge the idiocy of "Kyle is your father, but I don't want to tell you that or else you won't send him back to protect me." She even says something like "You could go crazy trying to think about all of this." Which ends up being a nice setup for T2 with her being in the looney bin.
All in all, it is a solid movie, but not near as good as I remembered as a kid. And as for comparisons to T2, it is no contest. T2 is superior in pretty much every way. It's not close.
I watched it over the last couple of nights, and a few things stood out to me:
It's not nearly as awesome as I remember it being. It is good, sure, but I guess just my memories of being a kid and watching it stick with me. I can remember it being cool and even scary, especially at the end with the machine continuing to come after Sarah Connor. However, watching it now it definitely doesn't have that "horror" vibe from back then.
The effects simply do not hold up well. At all. And that's nobody's fault really, but the fake Arnold's throughout the movie look extraordinarily fake now. And as cool as the machine looks at the end, the animation of it is straight up awful looking now. It's clunky and very amateurish looking. I get that it was very cutting-edge back then, but man it doesn't hold up at all. I appreciate the amount of practical effects it utilized though.
There was a lot more "future" scenes than I remembered. and they were sort of boring most of the time.
Arnold was a very polite killing machine. He asked a lot of questions, and even didn't kill people several times. I remember him being this ruthless killing machine, and he kinda wasn't (in some parts). But like he walks into the police station and asks for Sarah Connor, and then even leaves when the cop tells him to wait. Sure, he rolls into there with a car afterwards, but it seems like he would've just shot that dude and moved on to find her.
Maybe it was just me, but it felt like the acting was pretty bad. I like Michael Beihn, but he didn't do a good job. And even Sarah at times was kinda wooden. I don't know, it just felt like B-movie level acting in a lot of places.
I liked how at the end they did acknowledge the idiocy of "Kyle is your father, but I don't want to tell you that or else you won't send him back to protect me." She even says something like "You could go crazy trying to think about all of this." Which ends up being a nice setup for T2 with her being in the looney bin.
All in all, it is a solid movie, but not near as good as I remembered as a kid. And as for comparisons to T2, it is no contest. T2 is superior in pretty much every way. It's not close.
Posted on 7/13/21 at 12:34 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Cameron: I remember sitting there once, high on E, writing notes for Terminator, and I was struck by Sting’s song, that “I hope the Russians love their children too.”
Posted on 7/13/21 at 2:09 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Terminator 1 is underated
Posted on 7/13/21 at 7:39 pm to Boo Krewe
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Terminator 1 is underated
Not anymore it’s not.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 11:56 am to RLDSC FAN
T1 is free right now on youtube with ads, so I watched it. Had not seen the whole movie at once before.
How did the terminator find them in the motel. It seems he just randomly showed up there and knew they were there? Were there clues that led him there?
How did the terminator find them in the motel. It seems he just randomly showed up there and knew they were there? Were there clues that led him there?
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:04 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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But recently rewatching T1 and T2 back to back...its apparent T1 is the superior movie and HOW different the two movies are.
Yes - the pace and consistency of T1 is outstanding. Efficient filmmaking with very little waste, filler or excess.
The highs of T2 are pretty great - things that hadn't been done or at least not presented in that way were revolutionary (sort of building on what Cameron did with Aliens, but within his own original work), but I agree that the price of cheese was pretty high for T2 versus T1.
We can do an almost direct comparison with the first 2 Alien movies - the exception would be that Ridley directed Alien - Alien and T1 were better films, certainly with a little bit of perspective and hindsight. Aliens and T2 were more "fun", rewatchable, despite being 80s cheesy and ultimately more product than art, compared to the first film in the franchise.
Posted on 7/14/21 at 12:19 pm to kywildcatfanone
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How did the terminator find them in the motel. It seems he just randomly showed up there and knew they were there? Were there clues that led him there?
Sarah told him (via phone when he mimicked her mom's voice) the motel's phone number, he called the number and got the address.
Link to scene
Posted on 7/14/21 at 2:56 pm to Ace Midnight
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Alien and T1 were better films
Disagree. Alien, yes. Absolutely. Aliens is VERY overrated IMO. It's great, yes, but people have it hyped as even better than Alien in some cases. And that's just ridiculous.
After watching T1 (comments above) this week, it is far, far behind T2 in both quality and "fun/entertainment." It's good, but pretty overrated IMO.
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