re: I don&#39;t understand this narrative that Ole Miss is some Little Sisters of the Poor program

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:40 am to Lester Earl

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For every 3 or 4 kids like Crews & Morgan, ole miss might get one of those type of kids.

When is the last time LSU got freshmen like Crews and Morgan? You act like LSU gets them regularly.

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Who is picking ole miss over those schools.

Ask the kids who were in the two top 2 classes the last 5 years.

Posted by SidewalkTiger

Midwest, USA

Member since Dec 2019

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:52 am to Lester Earl

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So their budgets are close, so frickin what lol. Who is picking ole miss over those schools.

I take it you haven't looked at college baseball recruiting as a whole over the last few years.

Ole Miss recruits pretty damn good, good enough to compete for national championships.

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And the only reason they’d even be considered is that Bianco has propped that program up.

I'd argue that Ole Miss would recruit a whole lot better if Bianco could sell kids on more than one College World Series appearance in the last 21 years.

At least Paul could tell kids he's won a title and played for another while going to Omaha once every 3 years over his time at LSU.

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Posted by Lester Earl

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:17 am to ell_13

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When is the last time LSU got freshmen like Crews and Morgan? You act like LSU gets them regularly.

Pretty regularly actually.

Mo Hampton the year before

Marceaux

Daniel Cabrera

All the time

Posted by Gus007

Member since Jul 2018

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:50 am to SidewalkTiger

If I were Bianco, I would stay at Ole Miss, unless they doubled my salary.
The extra pressure of rebuilding, relocating, and constant criticism isn't worth it. IMO

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

85167 posts

Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:51 am to Lester Earl

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Mo Hampton the year before

Marceaux

Daniel Cabrera

As much as I love Marceaux and Cabrera, they were not the caliber of Morgan and Crews as freshmen. I get why you added Mo because of what he was projected to be.

Ole Miss #1 class

You have Rolison in this class who became an All-American. Kessinger their leading hitter for years.

Just a few years later they get the number 2 class.

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Four prospects out of Perfect Game's Top 50 highlight the Rebel class. Ealy, a two-sport athlete out of Jackson Prep who has already seen time with the Ole Miss football team this season, led the way for Ole Miss at No. 12 nationally. Athletic middle infielder Connor Walsh slotted at No. 27 in the nation, 10 spots ahead of right-hander Derek Diamond at No. 37. In-state catcher Hayden Dunhurst rounded out the group at No. 44 in the individual rankings.

All these kids passed up major dollars.

Posted by Lester Earl

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:12 am to ell_13

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As much as I love Marceaux and Cabrera, they were not the caliber of Morgan and Crews as freshmen.

Not crews because he is on another planet. Both of the other guys were bigger recruits than Morgan.

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All these kids passed up major dollars.

Ealy didn’t even play baseball this year and Walsh transferred to rice. He never even play at OM lol

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:16 am to Lester Earl

You can’t use Mo as an example and then knock the guys I listed. Don’t be a hypocrite. The point was that Ole Miss can and has pulled multiple top 50 players in multiple years. Just like LSU.

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Posted by ecb

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:35 am to SidewalkTiger

It's a false narrative

Posted by SOL2

Dallas burbs

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:11 am to SidewalkTiger

No NCs

Posted by Sasquatch Smash

Member since Nov 2007

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl

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For every 3 or 4 kids like Crews & Morgan, ole miss might get one of those type of kids.

Cool, man.

In the 17 Ole Miss season with Bianco as the coach, how many times did they face the vastly superior LSU in the NCAA tournament?

Now how many times were they put out by teams like William & Mary, St. John’s, post-Katrina Tulane, Cal State Bakersfield, and Tennessee Tech in Regionals, many of which they hosted?

Posted by Kal_Varnsen

Member since Jan 2005

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 12:11 pm to SidewalkTiger

I’ll say this and it’s not a defense of Bianco but when I was in school there in the late 90’s before Bianco arrived I would just walk in to the games with no ticket and pretty much sit wherever I wanted. No one said anything to me because no one was there to say anything.

Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

85167 posts

Posted on 6/16/21 at 12:13 pm to Kal_Varnsen

No is claiming he didn’t vastly improve the program. We are saying he didn’t take it to the next level. It’s a strong program that makes money but doesn’t win when it matters. Here at LSU we want both.

Posted by Broski

Member since Jun 2011

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 12:16 pm to OGtigerfan87

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To be fair you are leaving out that all those positive things about the Ole Miss program are because of him and weren’t there before he made his impact.

Bianco has shown that he can build a nothing program into something respectable. Bianco has also shown that he can't make a respectable program into a title contender.

LSU doesn't need someone to come in and build something new, they need someone to get to Omaha and win. There is nothing about Bianco that says he can do that or is willing to change to do that.

Posted by doubleb

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 12:30 pm to ell_13

LSU baseball has way more support from their administration, fans and the community than Ole Miss. Across the country the LSU brand is king in baseball.

No doubt our program needs change before 2020 and 21 become the norm and we are taking steps now to fix that. No one supports what we have now, but we have not ignored the problem. We have what any coach would want.

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Posted by SidewalkTiger

Midwest, USA

Member since Dec 2019

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 12:51 pm to doubleb

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LSU baseball has way more support from their administration, fans and the community than Ole Miss.

That isn't true in any form or fashion.

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Across the country the LSU brand is king in baseball.

It's definitely one of them but not "the king."

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Posted by ell_13

Member since Apr 2013

85167 posts

Posted on 6/16/21 at 12:56 pm to doubleb

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LSU baseball has way more support from their administration, fans and the community than Ole Miss.

This is false.

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Across the country the LSU brand is king in baseball.

This is so naive. We have 1 title in 20 years. This isn't the case anymore.

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No doubt our program needs change before 2020 and 21 become the norm and we are taking steps now to fix that. No one supports what we have now, but we have not ignored the problem. We have what any coach would want.

The problem was ignored up until this year. But I generally agree with the last sentence. We have what most coaches want in a public institution and the capacity for fan/community/AD support. And some of the players are really good, too so it's not a complete rebuild, just a small one.

Posted by doubleb

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Member since Aug 2006

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Posted on 6/16/21 at 1:01 pm to ell_13

It’s not false. We have money, our own booster club, fans and support across the state. LSU is all over college broadcasts. LSU announcers are college broadcasters. We are all over the place.

I’m not naive, the brand is strong.

Everything is there to win and win big.