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Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:33 pm to newmexicotiger
yeah, counterfeit $20 
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:34 pm to tarzana
You're delusional. He wins this on appeal where he can get a fair trial.
GF was a shithead where karma caught up to him.
GF was a shithead where karma caught up to him.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:34 pm to bisonduck
The felonious act was assault which was built into murder 2
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:34 pm to tucoco
his defense team wasn't very good and he should appeal drag it on a few years.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:35 pm to Eli Goldfinger
quote:
Chauvin sentencing in 8 weeks.
FYI, state has filed Blakely motion for aggravated sentencing, above and beyond guidelines, arguments for that will be heard over next couple of weeks.
Chauvin could have had jury make call on aggravation factors, waived that right, Cahill will make that call.
___________________________________________________________
GUILTY ALL COUNTS
Count 1. 2nd degree felony murder: GUILTY
Count 2. 3rd degree murder: GUILTY
Count 3. 2nd degree manslaughter: GUILTY
___________________________________________________________
Cahill unseals verdict, flips through pages. Will read.
___________________________________________________________
Judge Cahill is seated in courtroom, parties, rising for jury.
quote:
Second-Degree Unintentional Murder
According to Minnesota State Statutes, second-degree unintentional murder carries a maximum prison sentence of 40 years.
"You have to prove that Mr. Chauvin caused the death of Mr. Floyd while committing a felony. But you don't necessarily have to prove his intent was to cause the death," McGeeney said.
Third-Degree Murder
Third-degree murder carries a prison sentence of up to 25 years, and/or a fine of no more than $40,000.
"What we commonly call as a 'depraved mind.' So it has to be an intentional act that is imminently dangerous to other persons without regard to human life," McGeeney said.
Second Degree Manslaughter
Second-degree murder carries a prison sentence of up to 10 years, and/ or a fine of no more than $20,000.
"For manslaughter, it would have to be what's known as 'culpable negligence.' Culpable negligence really is gross negligence together with recklessness. And, of course, recklessness is a conscious disregard of the risk that you're creating by your behavior," McGeeney said.
How long Chauvin could be in prison if found guilty
The Minnesota Sentencing Guidelines says someone without prior convictions, like Chauvin, would most likely get a 12.5 year sentence for second and third-degree murder, and a four-year sentence for manslaughter.
"The jurors can certainly find all three of the counts and complaints have been proven. And find him guilty of all three. But he couldn't be convicted of all three. Because you can't be convicted for multiple crimes arising. If he's found guilty, likely he would only be convicted of the most serious offense which would be second-degree murder," McGeeney said.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:36 pm to FMtTXtiger
There will be another motion for a mistrial to the trial judge and that will also form a basis for an appeal.
My guess is trial judge punts. Don’t know if the appellate judges will do the right thing and look at all the issues. Trial seemed to be a sham
My guess is trial judge punts. Don’t know if the appellate judges will do the right thing and look at all the issues. Trial seemed to be a sham
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:38 pm to LSU7096
quote:They were ready to riot across the country if they didn't get the verdict they wanted. They vandalized what they thought was the home of a defense witness. What do you think they would do to an appellate judge who overturned the convictions?
You're delusional. He wins this on appeal where he can get a fair trial.
GF was a shithead where karma caught up to him.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:40 pm to dafif
By “sham”, you are referring to all that irrefutable evidence on video?
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:43 pm to ChuckO1975
Lmfao!!! frick I’ve missed the poliboard!! Some of you guys are absolute nut jobs!!
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:44 pm to nitwit
Nitwit... you post over and over and your ignorance of facts and substance is astounding.
No jury sequestration. Jury polling leaked to the press, judge refusing to move venue, federal politicians and the president saying guilty during deliberations...
So... just stfu and learn something for a change
No jury sequestration. Jury polling leaked to the press, judge refusing to move venue, federal politicians and the president saying guilty during deliberations...
So... just stfu and learn something for a change
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:47 pm to dafif
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:49 pm to dafif
Maybe this dude was a piece of crap and had no value for human life
But it just seems hard to believe that a police officer in front of all those people watching would purposely choke a person until he’s dead with his knee
Why would a guy do that
But it just seems hard to believe that a police officer in front of all those people watching would purposely choke a person until he’s dead with his knee
Why would a guy do that
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:49 pm to NorthTxLSU
The Minneapolis Star Tribune published data on all the jurors
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:50 pm to RiseUpATL
When the trial stated, I saw others state that the wording of the statutes in Minnesota was unusual, if not confusing. I was wondering how someone could be guilty of both 2nd degree and 3rd degree murder based on the Minnesota statutes.
At first I thought it was: 1st degree = intentional and pre-meditated; 2nd degree = intentional but not pre-meditated; and 3rd degree = not intentional and not pre-meditated.
But now looking at it, both 2nd and 3rd degree murder have a a "not intentional" component with 2nd degree if the person is committing or attempting to commit another felony (other than sexual criminal conduct) in the 1st or 2nd degree. So it seems that if you commit 3rd degree murder, you likely committee 2nd degree murder, because one likely committed or attempting to commit some other 1st or 2nd degree felony (assault/battery, manslaughter, etc.) to get into that position.
Regardless, I found this interesting, and I don't remember this at all:
NBC News
I know this isn't how it's been done, and will never be done this way, but it seems to me that it would just be easier to have the jury determine if he was guilty of the various components or not (caused death, intentional or not, pre-meditated not, etc.) and then you could first determine whether its murder, manslaughter, or neither, then if it's murder or manslaughter then what degree best fits. It just seems like the various components are easier for a jury to determine in isolation than the complexities and idiosyncracies of the various degrees as a whole.
At first I thought it was: 1st degree = intentional and pre-meditated; 2nd degree = intentional but not pre-meditated; and 3rd degree = not intentional and not pre-meditated.
But now looking at it, both 2nd and 3rd degree murder have a a "not intentional" component with 2nd degree if the person is committing or attempting to commit another felony (other than sexual criminal conduct) in the 1st or 2nd degree. So it seems that if you commit 3rd degree murder, you likely committee 2nd degree murder, because one likely committed or attempting to commit some other 1st or 2nd degree felony (assault/battery, manslaughter, etc.) to get into that position.
Regardless, I found this interesting, and I don't remember this at all:
quote:So it seems to me that if he was willing to plead guilty to 3rd degree murder, him and his lawyers thought that he was likely to at least be convicted of 3rd degree, with a real risk of 2nd degree conviction.
Chauvin had agreed to plead guilty to third-degree murder days after Floyd's death, but William Barr, then the U.S. attorney general, rejected the deal because, officials said, he was worried that it was too early in the investigation and that it would be perceived as too lenient.
NBC News
I know this isn't how it's been done, and will never be done this way, but it seems to me that it would just be easier to have the jury determine if he was guilty of the various components or not (caused death, intentional or not, pre-meditated not, etc.) and then you could first determine whether its murder, manslaughter, or neither, then if it's murder or manslaughter then what degree best fits. It just seems like the various components are easier for a jury to determine in isolation than the complexities and idiosyncracies of the various degrees as a whole.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:54 pm to Fells
quote:
Dude is about to find out what prison justice mean. Yikes
He will be segregated. Prisons have a dorm just for law enforcement.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:55 pm to Tiger Prawn
Meanwhile Chauvin is sitting in jail.
One good thing is if it is overturned on appeal he will be released or if it is upheld he could be released with time served.
I hope MPLS BURNS.
One good thing is if it is overturned on appeal he will be released or if it is upheld he could be released with time served.
I hope MPLS BURNS.
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:56 pm to MeatPants
quote:Based on the video, with people screaming to Chauvin that he was killing Floyd, it looked like he was in a power trip mode, and only cared about establishing his power/dominance, without any regard for the consequences, including Floyd's death. In hindsight without the emotions of the moment, I'm sure he would have chose differently, but unfortunately, it doesn't matter because we can't change the past (at least not yet).
But it just seems hard to believe that a police officer in front of all those people watching would purposely choke a person until he’s dead with his knee
Why would a guy do that
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:56 pm to September 1948
So to all of blm Justice was served right? They can stop looting and murdering now rt?
I mean I heard this wasn't about black lives, just black lives taken by a white cop.
Other people have said this, but I would stop policing black neighborhoods, don't even go to clean up the bodies.
I mean I heard this wasn't about black lives, just black lives taken by a white cop.
Other people have said this, but I would stop policing black neighborhoods, don't even go to clean up the bodies.
This post was edited on 4/20/21 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 4/20/21 at 4:59 pm to dgnx6
Bunch of cowards on that jury
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