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re: How hot do you think David Griffin's seat currently is?
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:29 pm to NOSHAU
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:29 pm to NOSHAU
ZERO.
As fans we are impatient, we don't see improvement, and we believe we can always do better.
As an owner/gm, these guys/gals know it takes time. Hell Giannis didn't have a winning season until his 5th year. They didn't do anything in the playoffs until year 6.
It doesn't happen overnight.
As fans we are impatient, we don't see improvement, and we believe we can always do better.
As an owner/gm, these guys/gals know it takes time. Hell Giannis didn't have a winning season until his 5th year. They didn't do anything in the playoffs until year 6.
It doesn't happen overnight.
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Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:30 pm to Fun Bunch
Zero
How many times will your impatience cause you to look like a fool bunch, before we stop doing things like this
How many times will your impatience cause you to look like a fool bunch, before we stop doing things like this
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:31 pm to Soggymoss
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ZERO.
I can't see how this is remotely true.
There has to be SOME level of heat to not making the playoffs two years in a row, with a roster within a pubic hair of the tax line, and a superstar player like Zion.
Even if its just a 2 or something, there has to be SOME heat.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:33 pm to Lester Earl
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Zero
How many times will your impatience cause you to look like a fool bunch, before we stop doing things like this
I am not saying Griffin should be fired right now and I have defended him MULTIPLE times on here.
For the record, I like David Griffin. He's done some good and bad things.
I'm simply saying when you have a guy like Zion there is a limit to patience.
Would you agree that he has to have this roster in some semblance of playoff level basketball by after next trade deadline, or his seat will start to get very hot?
Do you really think saying its a "4ish" is some outlandish, impatient thing?
Next year's trade deadline is the date. The roster cannot look like this bag of garbage by that point.
This post was edited on 4/19/21 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:38 pm to Fun Bunch
The heat won't start until the beginning of year 4.
When he was hired, the first thing they stated was this will take time to mold the team. He will have time to mold it.
When he was hired, the first thing they stated was this will take time to mold the team. He will have time to mold it.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:39 pm to LilWezyAna
Guys, I think he is a snake oil salesman, but his seat is barely at a 1 on the heat scale. He traded two superstars for a war chest of first round picks that start coming to fruition in 4-8 years. There is literally no way he does that if he had a win immediately mandate from ownership. We are in year 1.5 (not counting the COVID bubble) of a complete tear down and rebuild, and year 1 of a new coach, and we are competing for a playoff spot. It is frustrating as hell to watch this team, but it is only because we know how good they should be.
Griff has 2 more years, IMO, before the heat will be on his seat. Anything sooner is premature.
Griff has 2 more years, IMO, before the heat will be on his seat. Anything sooner is premature.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:39 pm to Fun Bunch
Where is this idea coming from that resigning Zo is a top priority for us? Every report is that the front office has a set number for Lonzo and there ok to let him walk. And truthfully I see no team giving Lonzo what clutch thinks he can get if Zo is not careful Clutch going to Nerleans Noel him.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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I'm simply saying when you have a guy like Zion there is a limit to patience.
Would you agree that he has to have this roster in some semblance of playoff level basketball by after next trade deadline, or his seat will start to get very hot?
This is how you end up like the AD Pelicans all over again.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:42 pm to theducks
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This is how you end up like the AD Pelicans all over again.
The opposite approach is how you end up with AD Pelicans.
They let Dell Demps be the GM for damn near a decade with no results to show for it.
You have to have patience. But at the same time, you cannot give a guy forever. The clock is ticking.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:42 pm to Fun Bunch
Zero
It’s the Pelicans. There are like 12 fans total. Who is ever going to apply the public pressure on the front office?
It’s the Pelicans. There are like 12 fans total. Who is ever going to apply the public pressure on the front office?
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:43 pm to saints5021
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Griff has 2 more years, IMO, before the heat will be on his seat. Anything sooner is premature.
So you're saying Griffin can go 4 years without making the playoffs with no pressure whastsoever.
And then maybe he gets some pressure in that 5th year?
That seems like a long leash.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:46 pm to theducks
Exactly, Zion seems to be getting frustrated, but at the same time he keeps saying he knows they are young.
They need to keep drilling home Giannis and that teams progression and how long it took to him, and as fans we need to do the same.
With that said though, frick Bledsoe and Ball, get them out.
They need to keep drilling home Giannis and that teams progression and how long it took to him, and as fans we need to do the same.
With that said though, frick Bledsoe and Ball, get them out.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:50 pm to Soggymoss
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They need to keep drilling home Giannis and that teams progression and how long it took to him
The problem is Zion is way better than Giannis was at the same point, and was a MUCH bigger star than Giannis coming in. No one had a clue who GA was in the general public and he was picked in the teens.
When you get a guy like Zion, the pressure is there to win early, similar to the Lebron/Cavs teams.
Really, this is sort of a reaction to just how bad last offseason appears to be in retrospect. Bledsoe, Adams, not moving JJ when he asked, hiring SVG who is clearly way past his prime.
It was a pretty bad offseason. Griffin needs to turn it around this offseason.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:53 pm to Fun Bunch
Lebron didn't make the playoffs until his 3rd season.
Zion is basically just starting his second season.
You still have to have patience.
Zion is basically just starting his second season.
You still have to have patience.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:54 pm to Fun Bunch
It’s not hot at all. The plan from the beginning is to patiently rebuild the future with all the assets we have. However this offseason and next season is vital for Griff and our future
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:57 pm to Fun Bunch
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The opposite approach is how you end up with AD Pelicans
Demps literally went out and accelerated the clock on the rebuilding process. Isn’t that the point of this thread? Griffin needs to accelerate the rebuild cuz his seat could be heating up.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:58 pm to Soggymoss
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Lebron didn't make the playoffs until his 3rd season.
Michael Jordan's teams didn't have a winning record until his 4th season. I get it and have preached that on here.
But there is just no way this team should be this bad and be saddled with some insurmountably bad contracts.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:58 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:1-2, but next season if we're still battling for the 10th seed, it absolutely should be approaching 10.
On a scale of 0-10, with 0 being absolutely no heat whatsoever, to 10 being a firing is imminent.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 2:59 pm to Fun Bunch
I think he has two years after this one to show significant improvement from ownership's perspective. If we're not the 5th-6th seed by then then I think he's gone.
For me? I need to see some notable improvements next season or I want him gone. So, at least the 8th seed next year but even that will be a bit of a disappointment for me.
For me? I need to see some notable improvements next season or I want him gone. So, at least the 8th seed next year but even that will be a bit of a disappointment for me.
Posted on 4/19/21 at 3:00 pm to theducks
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Demps literally went out and accelerated the clock on the rebuilding process. Isn’t that the point of this thread? Griffin needs to accelerate the rebuild cuz his seat could be heating up.
The problem is Griffin has sort of done that. Instead of confidently picking a path, he has wishy-washily tried to tread the line between tanking and going all out. He hasn't tanked. He hasn't "gone for it all"...but he has "gone for the playoffs".
He has tried to add veterans as well as a "win now" coach known for hating to develop young players in an attempt to make the playoffs...while still losing and picking young players.
He is clearly trying to have a team that wins enough to make the playoffs now, they just aren't doing it.
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