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Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:47 pm to tigerpawl
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I strongly agree with OP. Similar dynamics to paying them for free education.
Does a school have to keep "paying them" after they leave?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:48 pm to nicholastiger
If a scholarship athlete transfers, the school should get that scholarship back...this would help them replace the athlete.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:49 pm to oldskule
The portal isn’t necessarily the problem. The issue lies more in that there isn’t enough spots for them to go to...unless a vast majority are willing to be a walk-on. Undergrad transfers count towards a schools yearly 25 signee scholarship limit. So, while schools like LSU are/were hemorrhaging players on the 85-man scholarship limit, players are getting stuck in portal purgatory because schools can’t take more than 25. There needs to be another way to get players that are in the portal. Like a 1-for-1, 5 player limit. For every player you lose to the portal (undergrad only), you can accept 1 from the portal without it affecting your yearly 25 signee limit. But put a max of 5 per year and not to exceed the 85 roster limit.
I know that presents some other issues. But surely there are ways to limit exploiting it while giving some flexibility.
I know that presents some other issues. But surely there are ways to limit exploiting it while giving some flexibility.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:52 pm to oldskule
quote:Just like coaches and every other adult in the world?
Young athletes now can just decide to move on with no just cause. It promotes quitting and taking the easy way out.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:54 pm to MLU
I agree with the cap, maybe 5 per year depending on how many you lose.
What you don't want is a school like Clemson or Ohio St processing 25 players that didn't pan out (which means you missed in recruiting) and then allowing those teams to go cherry pick the best players from other teams.
And if Ricks is looking at Ohio St how do you know OSU is not tampering with your players before they enter the portal.
What you don't want is a school like Clemson or Ohio St processing 25 players that didn't pan out (which means you missed in recruiting) and then allowing those teams to go cherry pick the best players from other teams.
And if Ricks is looking at Ohio St how do you know OSU is not tampering with your players before they enter the portal.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 1:58 pm to Newuser13
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Did we not get Burrow through the transfer portal?
Joe was a graduate transfer.
Those were allowed way before this current transfer portal where players don’t have to sit a a year on FBS to FBS transfers.
Currently, a player can jump ship at the drop of a hat to another FBS program; no questions asked. If it’s out of the blue, you can bet your arse someone is contacting this player through back channels illegally to transfer to their school.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
Just because you either don't understand or don't like the answer doesn't mean that it isn't there. Schools should get some sort of assurance from the athlete that they dedicate so much to. Prior to this year, that came from the 1 year penalty. The NCAA is looking to waive that for 1-time. While I think it is silly and unnecessary, I can be alright with it. the idea that student athletes should be able to just come and go every year without penalty is an absurd one and would be the death of collegiate sports.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:04 pm to Newuser13
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Did we not get burrow through the transfer portal
No we actually didn’t, he was a grad transfer.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:05 pm to tigerpawl
I read an article weeks ago (sorry, been a while so no link) estimating that approximately 700 athletes will be left without a home therefore no scholarship. The elite players will find a home but the lower tier player will suffer.
Personally, I think a great deal of the problem is the athlete gets used to all the social media fame during the initial recruitment process and once they get to a campus it slows greatly. People aren't hanging on every word or post they make. This is why they want to enter the portal to experience that again.
Personally, I think a great deal of the problem is the athlete gets used to all the social media fame during the initial recruitment process and once they get to a campus it slows greatly. People aren't hanging on every word or post they make. This is why they want to enter the portal to experience that again.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
Breaking a contract for one and it is going to lead to stacking teams.
High school kids who transfer within a certain distance have to sit out.
College kids who transfer academically will have classes that won’t count and have to retake them at the new school.
The ncaa over corrected by allowing rubber stamp waivers.
High school kids who transfer within a certain distance have to sit out.
College kids who transfer academically will have classes that won’t count and have to retake them at the new school.
The ncaa over corrected by allowing rubber stamp waivers.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:09 pm to LSUZach011
In all fairness Ricks has always had his eyes on OSU. He would have gone thereif Meyer hadn't quit. They have one CB open on a fully stacked team that will again probably go to the playoffs. I agree that the portal shouldn't be open to undergrads, but what can you say... Of course I hope he doesn't go but if he does I can see why. Hell, they had their high 1st round or 2nd round WR Chris Olave come back...That's just crazy.... but just like Devonta Smith last year. It is very enticing when you can play for a natty almost every year.
This post was edited on 1/20/21 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:12 pm to oldskule
I am happy for kids having that options.
Keep in mind at some schools, your scholarship is renewed annually - Former Coach Saban has been known to introduce that policy in the Big 10 and SEC. Many coaches across use that undocumented policy to gain a competitive advantage.
Years ago, when a coach accepted a new job, he just goes without any consequences aside from a buyout.
Prime example, take the kid from Warren Easton who played RB that signed with Colorado last year. He signed with them to play for their former Coach Mel Tucker who accepted the same job at Michigan State University for more money. That happened after the last signing date in February. At one time, Colorado refused his release ... is that right?
If the coaches can leave, so can the kids.
That is part of the Free Enterprise system and it is not changing. Either you adapt to win and remain relevant or lose.
Keep in mind at some schools, your scholarship is renewed annually - Former Coach Saban has been known to introduce that policy in the Big 10 and SEC. Many coaches across use that undocumented policy to gain a competitive advantage.
Years ago, when a coach accepted a new job, he just goes without any consequences aside from a buyout.
Prime example, take the kid from Warren Easton who played RB that signed with Colorado last year. He signed with them to play for their former Coach Mel Tucker who accepted the same job at Michigan State University for more money. That happened after the last signing date in February. At one time, Colorado refused his release ... is that right?
If the coaches can leave, so can the kids.
That is part of the Free Enterprise system and it is not changing. Either you adapt to win and remain relevant or lose.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:13 pm to CFF lover
Why are we still discussing this? Ricks isn’t leaving
Posted on 1/20/21 at 2:53 pm to oldskule
As long as they make them sit out a year I DGAF what they do.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:11 pm to thejuiceisloose
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Well scholarships are on a yearly basis
Would be interesting to see how people would respond if Coaches could cut players at the end of the year and then add that scholarship to the recruiting class instead of it being capped.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:31 pm to oldskule
Most of those dudes in the portal won’t find a home. Transferring is okay, but I’m not a big fan of immediate eligibility.
Immediate play should be limited to certain types of guys, like grad transfers and players coming from juco/fcs level teams or some other in the like.
For example, a guy like Fields or Marcel Brooks should’ve been told he’s going to have to sit a year.
Everyone is getting waivers too easily these days and it looks soft.
I don’t know what’s on the LOI when it’s signed, but they should consider inserting a clause that defines certain limitations if you decide to transfer.
Immediate play should be limited to certain types of guys, like grad transfers and players coming from juco/fcs level teams or some other in the like.
For example, a guy like Fields or Marcel Brooks should’ve been told he’s going to have to sit a year.
Everyone is getting waivers too easily these days and it looks soft.
I don’t know what’s on the LOI when it’s signed, but they should consider inserting a clause that defines certain limitations if you decide to transfer.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 3:32 pm to oldskule
I don't think that was the intent of the transfer portal. It's broken.
Posted on 1/20/21 at 4:20 pm to oldskule
If coaches can pull scholarships any given year, why can't the kids decide to take services to another school at their discretion?
Posted on 1/20/21 at 5:38 pm to oldskule
Just makes it more important to be a school that players want to transfer TO not FROM. They do need to look at changes to how they do scholarship numbers, though, to allow teams to backfill transfers.
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